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One of the officers may correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember from high school law that there is are steps that much be followed in order to officially place somebody under arrest and under citizens arrest. I think it was something along the lines of you must declare who you are and why you are arresting them and then you must physically ...

Not adding any info, but I asked three different officers (2 Ottawa police and 1 OPP and received 3 divergent opinions).

Well I think this answers the question. Depending on the officer you may or may not get away with it without getting a ticket so you'll have to weigh your options on this one. If only all laws could be this black and white ...

Best bet would be to bring the updated documents with you to the prosecutor and see what they'll do for you. I imagine you should at the very least be able to get one dropped assuming you're apologetic and polite.

"Ignorant" - lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

PS I just thought I'd mention that even though I don't currently own an overpriced car, I sure do enjoy being able to drive the car I have!

NotAcriminal wrote:That is the typical uneducated, unsympathetic reply I would expect from a cop.

That is the typical, uneduated, unsympathetic reply I would expect from some bone head who hasn't learnt his lesson...



Just saying.

Stunt driving knocked down to 15km/h over at roadside! That can happen? You should realize you were given a HUGE break and there's a good chance if you take it to trial the prosecutor won't be too happy that you're looking for a further reduction and amend it back up to 116 in a 60.

My suggestion if you feel brave: at the first attendance bring ...

I don't know about you, but I sure feel great knowing that money is being to have this prosecutor go to appeals court over this case. Why even waste the resources fighting this even further from the city's perspective? You must have made that prosecutor look really dumb in court or maybe you looked at him the wrong way...

HTA 78(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway if the display screen of a television, computer or other device in the motor vehicle is visible to the driver


I read this as: if my passenger is using their mp3 player in the front seat, I can get a ticket if I can just SEE their screen. It doesn't even say the screen needs to be on ...

Okay in regards to your inquiry you should know that in Canada our civil law system isn't any where near as F***ed as our neighbours to the South. In Canada you are typically only able to collect two different kinds of damages: special and general damages.

Special damages are those which compensate for quantifiable injuries, things that a dollar ...

ManlyMinute wrote: And on a more serious note, can I open a suit against the department because the officer forged my witness statement, admitted to it, and may have therefore commited pergury? (This is an exploritory question so please don't grill me.)

Just to clarify: by opening a suit, do you mean you're thinking of suing?

Will it go on my record at all? And do I get charged anymore than the $110.00? And would this affect my insurance?

Also, if I fight it, does it get cleared completely off my record and if I fight it does it still affect my insurance?

I was also wondering, when going to fight it, in this situation would I need a lawyer? I assume I could just go ...

Should have break checked him.

That's also stunt driving per O. Reg 455/07:


True but its not what you know its what you can prove. It would be hard to prove intent.

Very true, it's probably harder to prove in court. That said, I still find it scary that my car can get impounded and I'd have to pay towing + impound fees even if intent can't ...

JohnnyKickass wrote:Ok I know it's just $20 but with two days off work already and gas (court is in another city) I'm sure I'm down $400 by now.

Sunk costs shouldn't be considered when making decisions about the future. Economics 101.

There are tools out there that say they can detect radar or lidars. I don't know if it has to actually hit your car or not to be detected. Then you can record the time. At least you might be able to date and time stamp.


This could work if you don't mind fighting one extra ticket because radar detectors are illegal in Ontario. But hey you're ...

Oh noes,
I'm wondering if I have grounds to request a Stay under 11b of the Charter ? The new court date will place me at 16 months when I go to trial again. Seems unreasonable ...

You can always request an 11b it's just whether or not the JP accepts your argument. 16 months puts you in a pretty good position unless you have caused a delay in ...

HI again,
Thanks for the reply. I got a court date for April 14th (134 on 100-259$). I am going to ask for a disclosure, what should I ask to see:
-Proof or radar read


The officer doesn't have to show you the radar reading so I assume they just have to testify that they clocked you at 134km/h.


The officer did not give me my options-is that a ...

Treatz wrote:He stated that on april 6th at 11:12 am he pulled me over for speeding 74 in a 50. (i was pulled over at 1:12AM, 14 HOURS LATER)

Sure sounds like the officer had a great independent recollection of the events...

i was locked into my cruise control at 115 the whole way! i am planning on going to court and disputing this. any help or suggestions??

If you do go all the way to trial make sure to NOT bring this up at court. If you say "I wasn't possibly going 135, I was going 115." because that is still exceeding the speed limit you would be convicted. But ...

This is my 12th ticket in 3 months.

Since then:

"get letter from insurence comp to prove coverage and plead the open liquer ticket down to a lower amount".

He said well you are getting a ticket for a defective braking system.

If i threaten to charge an officer with something, using a firm tone, this to me is not abusive.


HOLY *EDIT* what ...

With speeding though it's different because although the speed gets ammended up, you are still being charged for the same offense under the HTA. Whereas in this case the prosecutor would have to lay a different charge at court. In my opinion they should not be allowed to do this but I do not know for sure.

Imagine you received a relatively minor ...

As long as your friend isn't receiving any kind of compensation for it then they don't have to be a registered paralegal.

racer wrote: On your first attendance the prosecutor will likely try to get you to plead down to "Follow too close", which is about the same fine, but less demerit points.

Follow Too Close = $110, 4 Demerit Points. So you save a couple hundred dollars on the ticket and 2 demerit points but you're still looking at a possible insurance increase.

leshka wrote: The camera only triggers if you are going through the intersection faster then 25km/hr

...now I know how to beat the system, no more red lights for me

I have aftermarket tires and rims so I assume this would be the difference.

Don't bother bringing this fact up in court.

If you can't afford to hire a paralegal (which I would really recommend doing if you can), you'll want to start by filing for disclosure which will let you see the evidence against you that will be relied upon in court. If ...

What section of the highway traffic act does it say you were charged under?

hwybear wrote: If it would go to trial the witness would be given a subpoena, issued by the Crown.

Ah okay, wasn't sure if it was a summons or subpoena they would be issued, disregard my suggestion unless the lady who was hit doesn't mind potentially getting into big trouble.

Just too bad he panicked and left cause it all could have been dealt with, without a charge. He is paying for the repair and the lady of the other vehicle is writting a letter on my sons behalf to say that he was not driving in a careless manner.. Hope that the judge can take it into consideration when the time comes.
My son felt bad and spoke the ...

Yes, there are many paralegal services out there that will fight this ticket for you but if you have the time you can probably fight it on your own. You don't have to pay anything extra to request a trial as court costs are already built into the fine itself. Also there are many paralegal services that charge only upon "winning" the case but you ...

My argument is, ticket was given at an UNAUTHORIZED LOCATION. Can I win?

Police are allowed to issue tickets on private property, otherwise all you would have to do in order to avoid a ticket is drive into anybody's driveway and you're home free.

You should file for disclosure if you have not already and read that to get an idea of how to best ...

It happened to me, I live in Ottawa and from talking to the prosecutor it sounds like they're fairly open to permitting it provided it's a first offense.

http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com ... 81-30.html

Read that if you want my whole story.