Early Morning Photo OPP B&W

Early morning sunrise and t-storm to the south.

Right place, right time and a clean car!!

If you look close enough, beside the drivers' side "A" pillar you will see a white circle = front antenna of Genesis radar......plus look above the dash pad...there is the Spectre RDD.

The scariest sight on the roads, right after plates with blue letters on a white background

hwybear wrote:

Early morning sunrise and t-storm to the south.

Right place, right time and a clean car!!

If you look close enough, beside the drivers' side "A" pillar you will see a white circle = front antenna of Genesis radar......plus look above the dash pad...there is the Spectre RDD.

nice pic

Cheers

Viper1

Where's the romantic music??????

The Opposite! LOL

(sorry, just HAD to)

Bookm wrote:

The Opposite! LOL

(sorry, just HAD to)

Nice pics!

Haha bookm from Canad's Worst Driver.

Don't worry Sean i bet hwybear already has a big sticky on his dashboard with your plates on it

Oh i saw that spectre.

Nice ride.

The best looking cop cars in Ontario and also the scariest sight on a 400 series highway.

I must say i focus when i drive.

But boy oh boy when i see a B&W crown vic the OPP letters on it i can no longer pay attention

OPP, worried about ticket, cool looking vehicle, studying the way he drives and how fast he goes, watching how the rest of the traffic reacts, and checking out the technology in the car!

There is not a cooler, scarier, or more exciting time you can have on a 400 series then seeing one of those!

Mind you the one time i actually do not mind driving 100 km/hr is beside one of those.

Besides i get sad when they drive fast and i cant look at their cars

hey bear do you guys got your summer tires on yet?

You guys got "V" rated tires right good for 240km/hr?

Do they still use the Stalker Ka radar units?

I have seen them in the Tahoe i think.

Genesis 2 is K band correct?

How new is this crown vic, most i see around GTA region got the Genesis 2 and Spectre.

Haha is the FuzzBuster invisible to the Spectre RDD

Random question about your cars? Do you guys get a Radio or CD player, if you were sitting parked under a bridge doing lidar enforcement would you be allowed to listen to a CD or something?

Do all cars have a GPS or GPS unit, i know those computers can look up road side history. Most police forces now, Peel and TPS have them i am sure they are wired up to the internet do you guys all got the same thing?

You guys got "V" rated tires right good for 240km/hr?

Only 240? That's good to know Just kiddin', Bear

Well fire start i dont know about the HSD (highway safety division guys)

But i do believe that if someone catches a speeder and they are exceeding 180-200 (not sure).

The cop is NOT supposed to go after them and is supposed to radio down the road and mention (speeding car).

Well again FireStart if you did run.

Mind you once you get the plates you are done.

You have a very good question. Will they deploy spike strips on a bicycle for speeding? That is nuts and almost for sure to kill or severely injure the driver of the bike.

While on a car you may not kill the driver, spikes on a bike would stop it.

I have seen this happen on the 407.

Let's face it you nail some guy on a bike for going 200 +. If he doesnt slow down when he sees your lights this guy is not going to stop.......

I am sure people who drive these bikes alot know this to.

One time i went under an overpass on the 407 and the guy on a bike was going pretty fast. He looked back and i guess he saw the LED's go on.

He must have stalled for 3 seconds slowed down, then must have said screw it and went away.

The officer could not have gotten his plates there was to much traffic. The guy on the bike passed some people on the left shoulder (wide one.)

This was on the 407 to mind you.

The officer did not chase i think the LEO knew he was gone.

So what do you do in a situation like this?

Let's say this was near the very end of a detachments patrol zone and there is not another one for a while.

A guy on a bike can easily get up to well over 250.

He goes a few km gets off at an exit down the road and he is never found cause they didnt get his plates and no other officers near by or available?

I am sure it has happened/happens. And i am also sure this is more common on guys with bikes.

Bikes can accelerate way faster, and they can go on both shoulders, and through lanes.

While a big heavy crown vic might be able to accelerate fast he can not catch a 1000 cc sport bike nor drive between cars, and on the shoulders.

I am not trying to be a smart alic here but i am really curious what happens when bikes try to run.

I am sure when a car runs he does not get very far (even a expensive sports car) cause people would have to move out of his way and some would block him to help the police out. Also in a car putting spike strips down is not likely to kill the guy the second his tires touch them.

Just another tid bit.

I have no idea but i assume that it must be hard to get a reading for say (in the dark, dark colored sport bike with no plate on the front)

Do you guys have less range for getting a reading on a bike with a radar and or lidar unit?

Sorry my last post was really long.

To make it simpler, lets say its 3 am on the 401 and you get some guy in a sport bike going 220 km/hr. It is near the end of your detachment and you know for example there is no officers in your detachment past you to get this guy and the next detachment is not for another 75 km/hr and no officers in that one are close by.

Your in a crown vic you put the lights on but this guy in the bike is not going to slow down, he picks up the pace and is gone?

Would you guys call in local police to block the ramps? Lets say this guy speeds up to 250 or something and goes 15 km on the hwy and gets off.? If you didnt get his plates i guess he gets away with it?

tdrive2 wrote:

the next detachment is not for another 75 km/hr

The OPP have moving detachment buildings that can go 75 km/h?

tdrive2 wrote:

I am not trying to be a smart alic here but i am really curious what happens when bikes try to run.

Friend of mine who was with the Ottawa Police spotted a bike on Innes Road several years ago, haulin' a** at night. He turned on the lights to stop him. The biker turned around, waved at him, and gunned it - gone in the distance. My friend's response? Turn the lights back off, slow back down to the speed limit, and laugh about it.

I know a few guys who routinely run, mostly on liter bikes, but a few on 600's. Even met a guy who ran on a 250 and got away lol. I personally haven't done it as I make sure I don't cross the line too far, so the worst they can nail me for is a minor, which can easily be handled in court as opposed to a possible criminal charge.

With that being said, ever since Bill 203 got passed, more and more people have started running even if they haven't been popping wheelies or going 50+ over the limit. It introduced an atmosphere of paranoia in the community, which isn't too surprising when you hear stories of riders being pulled over for what other riders have done.

While constables who also ride (such as Bear) are out there and will not pull a guy on a Bandit because a guy on a 1000RR was observed popping wheelies, there are still ones out there that need better education.

The rider community should also get involved, including those of us riding supersports and reach out to the law enforcement community. The problem is that we're what the old-school bikers used to be. An independent and rebellious bunch that's not likely to get well-organised.

tdrive2 wrote:

Will they deploy spike strips on a bicycle for speeding?

That made me laugh so hard I drooled over my keyboard.

Haha sorry i meant the next detachment for 75 km.

I am sure it happens. Its a different story with bikes.

I am sure even in traffic they can just go onto the shoulder or squeeze between trucks.

IMO to drive a 1000 CC sport bike your probally already a pretty edgy person, getting a fine for thousands, crazy insurance increase, and getting your bike taken away alot will just run away.

I wonder how hard it is to get a reading on one of them and some dont even have front plates.

If your under an overpass on the 407 and you manage to get some guy in a black sport bike going over 250, hes gone.... Unless someone else down the road is willing to stop or they block the overpass what can they do if they dont get the plate?

Now the use of a helicopter would change all this but at night this wouldnt work and they dont have a helicopter or OPP plane everywhere to catch some guy on a bike flooring it on an expressway late at night.

The way i see it if your in a bike and you want to go that fast around all kinds of trucks and obstacles driving slower, along with drivers who do not pay attention your just harming yourself.

You can go as fast as you want on a bike but if you hit some debry or lose control trying to run from a cop and fly into the concrete median you might end up paying with your life.

I am sure you guys get worried though. Even a tire squeal can get you under 172, insurance increase for rest of life, court date, impoundment. But can you imagine a cop trying to pull you over for lets say a broken signal light, then you run, and he has to come tell your family you ran away and crashed into a slab of concrete trying to run away from him...

MC travelling fast....catch up activate lights....if not stopping.......that would be FIDO.

We are not permitted to "spike" a MC.

MC are very difficult to obtain a reading on with lidar. Not too bad with radar.

I would be hesitant about going fast on the 407 and eluding, plates are recorded at exits.....might be some way to get the plate.....if that happens....could become an investigation and chances of losing the MC to a impoundment via HTA or CC.

Runners have a few methods at their disposal to hide their plates...

1) They get fender eliminator kits, hide'em so deep under the tail that they're dang-near invisible when you sit on it (and compress the shock), especially when bent upwards at a 45-degree angle. (In all honesty, 90% of people with this sort of a setup only get it to pose)

2) Interesting mounting bracket setups ranging from L-brackets and a piece of rope to electrically-actuated swing brackets.

3) Half-turning and covering the plate by hand (or having the passenger do it)

4) Before Bill 203, several guys would pop a wheelie goin' on and off.

5) Heard something about darkening plate covers but I haven't seen anyone use one of those.

To a smart rider, those are more trouble than they're worth. You can get ticketed and hassled for them and are unnecessary as long as you have half-decent throttle control and don't pull anything overly stupid in traffic.

FiReSTaRT wrote:

5) Heard something about darkening plate covers but I haven't seen anyone use one of those.

Electrochromatic. They used to be widely available for purchase about 10 years ago. Most of the companies selling them have since mysteriously gone out of business.

I learned about those on CSI.

Thanks bear.

Your right never thought about that. But with a bike you can avoid those fines and just drive on the dirt and around the camera's

I was just making a reference on roads like the 400 or the 407 with many lanes and big shoulders some guys on bikes might get the idea its better to run then stop.

You know i always wondered how hard it would be to get a reading on a bike with lidar. Nothing on the front really to reflect, especially if black!

Can you sometimes not at all get readings on sport bikes because of this or just very limited distance?

I was reading an article talking about vehicle colours and lidar.

Does the colour really make a big difference.

I mean if you had the exact same car, a white one (being easiest to get a reading), and a black one (hardest to get a reading) would it make a big difference in distance for getting a reading using lidar?

I have heard some speed traps or officers doing speed enforcement will have a Radar Unit and a Lidar unit running at the same time?

I am guessing that sometimes its hard to get a reading with lidar depending on the situation so a radar unit would allow you to get a speed?

Mind you those units arent cheap i believe you posted the costs to me before or approximate costs.

I am just guessing here but it is my guess that all your marked cars have Built in Radar units, and lets say you guys have like 12 officers per *EDIT* and maybee 6 lidar guns?

Are the new lidar guns a bit better according to weather (rain), and vehicle colour? I believe you told me red is hard to get readings aswell.

Radar units are not "built in". Radar is on a mount that is bolted to the dash.

Colour of vehicle does not make a whole lot of difference.

I am guessing all OPP vehicles would have spectre's now to.

tdrive2 wrote:

I am guessing all OPP vehicles would have spectre's now to.

No.....our office only has 3...20% of the cruisers (and we are traffic)...guessing the general duties office only has 1 spectre for the whole fleet

Wow amazing i guess they cost alot, i would assume especially HSD units would have them in all cars.

Do call cars have a mounted radar unit like a Genesis 2?

Sorry i think i asked this before you guys get winter tires (H rated) and summer tires (V rated?)

Anyways that neat i thought you guys would get budgets so all cars would have a computer, gps, radar, lidar, and a spectre.

Those LED light bars cost alot but i like them you can see them from really far away they are very bright.

tdrive2 wrote:

Do all cars have a mounted radar unit like a Genesis 2?

No

Sorry i think i asked this before you guys get winter tires (H rated) and summer tires (V rated?)

all v rated

Those LED light bars cost alot but i like them you can see them from really far away they are very bright.

LED bars are less than 1/2 the cost of the previous light bar (no moving parts)

Wow bear no wonder they are becoming more common, LED's last WAY longer to.

I wonder why TPS (toronto police service) has not yet switched.

Peel has almost fully converted over with a few old impalas with the Big old school lights.

Mind you peel is starting to buy crown vics again.

They seemed to go on Charger Mania back in 06-07 and now i see alot of new impalas and crown vics.

Do all police forces in Ontario keep cars for 150 k before resell?

OPP HSD must eat through cars with all the time you guys spend on the 400 series lol.

But if you guys only keep to 150 k i still sometimes will see those old white /blue OPP cars with the old school lights?

I guess they keep them for Aux officers or days where they need extra "ride program blitzes etc"?