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The case deals only with the disclosure of the testing portion of the manual. That is disclosed routinely. There is no new information here:

Courts decision with regard to legal arguments

42. The court rules the portion of the radar manual with regard to testing procedures on the Atlanta laser is relevant to full answer and defence with regard ...

I'm glad it was an ok outcome for you. Sometimes talking responsibility for your actions is the best course of action.

You can ask for them in disclosure. You won't get them so you'll then have to convince the Justice that he should order the Crown to get them for you.

He won't.

I think you made the best of a bad situation. It would have been nice if the prosecutor had offered +49 but he's under no obligation to do so. At the end of the day it's a speeding charge albeit a high one but it's not stunting.

Good on you for coming back on to update us. Few do so thanks.

I believe you have been misinformed. There is no differentiation between stopped and moving...the Act simply says carry.

Red and blue lights to the front restricted
(14.1) In addition to the lighting requirements in this Part, a police department vehicle may carry lamps that cast red and blue lights, but no other motor vehicle shall carry any lamp ...

I was under the impression that headlight modulators were legal in Ontario on motorcycles.

I'm a bit confused. What is happening on the 20th ? Is it the trial date ? What happened when your grandmother attended ?

There is almost a zero chance of the other charge being laid. Unless the OP was extremely memorable through poor attitude or some other reason this would just be one traffic stop among many for the officer. To prepare a summons, send it off to be signed by a JP and then to have to serve the OP just isn't going to happen.

Besides which it would ...

Almost unheard of for it to happen though.

Fine is unpaid, licence is suspended thereby invalidating insurance, traffic stop is made and vehicle towed, family safe at a restaurant.

how does the written will of men and woman known as the legislature (statute) apply to me because I'm standing in a geographical location? (the real answer is guns)
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The laws are made by people elected by the people. That gives them their authority. It's called democracy as opposed to the anarchy that Freeman on the Land subscribe to. If ...

jsherk is absolutely right. How on earth can you be ready for trial when you don't know the evidence against you ? That's nonsense.

No, if the notes say the test was done then the test will have been done. There will be an area set out for it and it will be done the same way every time. The officer will testify to that.

Hey guys, I got some great advice so far on here, thought I would pick your brain a bit more :)


1) With the above being said, I understand that it's extremely unlikely that the prosecutor will drop the case in the ER for whatever reason, especially without me having full disclosure.

This makes me not even want to attend ER. If I don't go to my ...

I would suggest that vehicle speed is target speed, patrol speed is cruise speed.

Service of documents sometimes have a time limit as the respondent needs time to review them but this is just a document telling you to be at court. If there was time limit then it would have been the Act which I quoted above.

Are you reading articles for Provincial Offences court of documents referring to Family Court or Small Claims Court.

We would be looking for people to serve them the night before court. It's not uncommon.

Summons
26. (1) A summons issued under section 22 or 24 shall,

(a) be directed to the defendant;

(b) set out briefly the offence in respect of which the defendant is charged; and

(c) require the defendant to attend court at a time and place stated therein and to attend thereafter as required by the court in order to be dealt with according to ...

Thanks guys.

I was reading some of your posts Jsherk regarding requesting disclosure of radar/lidar manual. I've learned a ton and I'm wondering if it's a useful strategy to go into the meeting with the prosecutor and perhaps show him that I'm well informed, will not accept a plea, and prepared to battle it out in trial - and that I'll be ...

You do what the man in the high chair wants. The courts I've been in he or she wants anything that you are going to argue.

Why can't they just read it online like everyone else? It is public knowledge, not evidence. Sounds like the prosecutor just wants you to waste more of your time and money. If I was a JP I would never trust printed case law from self represented people anyway considering how easy it would be to change the text.

Edit: I know prosecutors like to ...

It is common practice. A good friend of mine went to argue a ticket and had some good case law on his side but didn't bring copies. The justice said that without copies he wouldn't consider it and that he would have won has he provided said copies.

This would tie in to the "I pay your wages" that we love to hear so much.

He will have been sent a letter advising of his suspension. Did he keep his address up to date ?

Again, so it's OK to drive like a bat out of hell along a road and the only problem comes when you pass the person who you didn't see because you were going too fast for that class of road ?

Do you wear a seatbelt ? Why bother - you only need it when you crash ? If you aren't crashing then what's the point ? Aaaaah, because you MIGHT crash and you ...

Is it a school zone with kids and cars all over the street? Well then if you are doing 100 then you are probably scaring people and swerving in and out of traffice and that is what makes it unsafe. Is it 2am and the street is completely empty? Well then if there is nobody around and no vehicles then maybe it is no unsafe.

How do you know the ...

I'd love for you to go and tell the family of someone killed by a speeder that you think speed enforcement is not doing what's right. You have consistently failed to reply when asked to comment on whether all speeds that don't result in injury are safe. Can I do 100 in a school zone if I don't hit any one ? What about 150 ? You repeat your mantra ...

Yep, it is "legal" robbery... they have the guns and jails so they can legally rob you!.

I didn't know that insurance agents have guns and jails. The excessive penalties described here are insurance costs, nothing to do with the police nor even the government.

The insurance companies see a correlation between excessive speed and excessive ...

....but not against the law. You may know that you were only plugging it in but the lawmakers have decided that it's better for society just to ban it's use altogether. Not saying it's right, just saying why it is what it is.

Yes, prosecutors can keep officers on the road and call them in if needed.