Before Christmas I was following a truck on Highway 28 near Peterborough, two lane highway divided by yellow line. As it was moving quite slowly I pulled out to pass, in a legal dashed-line passing area. However, once I was out in the left lane I realised there was a car in front of the truck, which I couldn't see (because the truck was following so closely) and I now had to pass 2 vehicles. I looked at the road ahead and there wasn't any approaching traffic so I stepped on it to pass both vehicles. All of a sudden there was approaching traffic - they must have really been going fast because they approached at a tremendous rate and I just barely got in front of the car I was passing to avoid a head on collision (or more likely the approaching traffic having to brake way down). Turns out the car approaching was a cop. He pulled me over, but was very unclear about the reasons. He asked me if my brakes were working, wrote me a ticket, and then sped off. I didn't fully understand what I was being charged with - I'd passed in a legal area and frankly I think the cop's high rate of speed resulted in our near miss. So here's the issue: When I got home and looked at the charge and it's 148(8)(b) - Roadway must be clear to the left of the vehicle from overtaking traffic. I think he meant to charge me with 148(8)(a) - Roadway must be clear from approaching traffic. There was absolutely no issue with overtaking traffic. Nobody was trying to pass me. There wasn't anyone behind me at all. What's the best way to fight this? I had a friend in the car that can back up my story - the offence I'm being charged with didn't happen. There may have been an offence under 148(8)(a), but that's not what I was charged with. Thanks!

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Charged with incorrect section of 148 - How to fight it?

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Re: Charged with incorrect section of 148 - How to fight it?

RESOLUTION: In case anyone is interested I had my trial this week. My plan was to: A) ask for dismissal because they charged me with the wrong section of the Act [148(8)(b) instead of 148(8)(a)]. I planned to tell the JOP that there was no evidence to support the charge; B) if they would not dismiss I'd ask for an adjournment to prepare for the amended charge to 148(8)(a). There was good evidence in the cop's notes to support my side of the story that the road "in front and to the left" of me was clear when I made the pass. The cop's own notes indicated he was around the bend, and couldn't see me until he rounded the bend, and I was already in the act of passing. So by logic, if he couldn't see me then I couldn't see him. So from my perspective the road was clear. However.... I had a chance to talk to the prosecutor before the trial. He was making deals all morning. To the point where I was the only trial that might have a chance of proceeding, out of a list of about 20. He asked what I wanted and I told him "I want the charge dismissed, but I'd settle for something with no points". So we had a chat with the cop (who was there) and we all agreed to Interfere with Traffic - it's $85 fine and no points. Bottom Line for me: Always fight it. Always go to trial. There are so many opportunities to deal along the way. Right up until they call you to the stand. And at that point if you have no case you can still ask the JOP to go easier on you. But from what I could see they are looking to deal. Nobody wants a trial. The cop actually thanked me afterward since he could get out of there. I don't know if a simple fine like that will hit my insurance. I still have a conviction - but a far lesser charge that carries no points. So we will see. Enjoy the weekend!

RESOLUTION:

In case anyone is interested I had my trial this week. My plan was to: A) ask for dismissal because they charged me with the wrong section of the Act [148(8)(b) instead of 148(8)(a)]. I planned to tell the JOP that there was no evidence to support the charge; B) if they would not dismiss I'd ask for an adjournment to prepare for the amended charge to 148(8)(a).

There was good evidence in the cop's notes to support my side of the story that the road "in front and to the left" of me was clear when I made the pass. The cop's own notes indicated he was around the bend, and couldn't see me until he rounded the bend, and I was already in the act of passing. So by logic, if he couldn't see me then I couldn't see him. So from my perspective the road was clear.

However.... I had a chance to talk to the prosecutor before the trial. He was making deals all morning. To the point where I was the only trial that might have a chance of proceeding, out of a list of about 20. He asked what I wanted and I told him "I want the charge dismissed, but I'd settle for something with no points". So we had a chat with the cop (who was there) and we all agreed to Interfere with Traffic - it's $85 fine and no points.

Bottom Line for me: Always fight it. Always go to trial. There are so many opportunities to deal along the way. Right up until they call you to the stand. And at that point if you have no case you can still ask the JOP to go easier on you. But from what I could see they are looking to deal. Nobody wants a trial. The cop actually thanked me afterward since he could get out of there.

I don't know if a simple fine like that will hit my insurance. I still have a conviction - but a far lesser charge that carries no points. So we will see. Enjoy the weekend!

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Re: Charged with incorrect section of 148 - How to fight it?

Your insurance provider doesn't base its surcharge percentages off of how many demerit points a charge has. It just so happens that more serious charges tend to come with more demerit points. Demerit points last 2 years from the date you were charged. If you were charged December 2016, the points will disappear December 2018. For your average fully licensed driver, they tend to be completely useless. Your provider will put everything in 3 categories. Practically every run of the mill charge will fall into the first category. The second category is usually the same charges with a safety element (school zone, school bus, school crossings, etc), breaking graduated license conditions, false statements and things of that nature. The third is for the worst. Careless, racing, speeding over 50, impaired, driving with no insurance, etc. Trading one minor charge for another isn't going to necessarily help with your insurance, no matter the points or the lesser fine. However, your provider may not charge you for the first minor conviction, so you might not end up paying anything extra at all. Hopefully that will be the case. Good luck.

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I don't know if a simple fine like that will hit my insurance. I still have a conviction - but a far lesser charge that carries no points. So we will see. Enjoy the weekend!

Your insurance provider doesn't base its surcharge percentages off of how many demerit points a charge has. It just so happens that more serious charges tend to come with more demerit points. Demerit points last 2 years from the date you were charged. If you were charged December 2016, the points will disappear December 2018. For your average fully licensed driver, they tend to be completely useless.

Your provider will put everything in 3 categories. Practically every run of the mill charge will fall into the first category.

The second category is usually the same charges with a safety element (school zone, school bus, school crossings, etc), breaking graduated license conditions, false statements and things of that nature.

The third is for the worst. Careless, racing, speeding over 50, impaired, driving with no insurance, etc.

Trading one minor charge for another isn't going to necessarily help with your insurance, no matter the points or the lesser fine. However, your provider may not charge you for the first minor conviction, so you might not end up paying anything extra at all. Hopefully that will be the case. Good luck.

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