Squishy wrote:And 73 (2), ...is meant for the safety of officers approaching the vehicle, as well as defensive drivers who use other drivers' head movements to predict their behaviour (although that probably wasn't a big consideration when writing that subsection).

hwybear wrote:

knight_yyz wrote:

hwybear wrote:

Tint law is in place for one main reasons that I can think of:

1) Driver has to be able to sufficiently see out (especially at night, have to be able to see the bicycle, pedestrian etc..)

I have a problem with this statement. Just because you cannot see into my car does not mean I cannot see out. Does this mean my autodarkening mirror is illegal too? It gets darker at night when headlights shine on it. It makes it a little harder to see things without light. Also I find the statement offensive because it reminds me of the ostrich with his head in the ground. I can't see you, therefore you cannot see me.

Thanks for proving the point that much further.

If the ostrich hides the head in the sand (such as hiding behind tint), ostrich can not see properly......and you can't see the ostrich head due to the sand (tint)

....and a vehicle does not need a centre rear view mirror....so that point is mute.

Actually, I was calling you the ostrich!!! I have light tint on my car and can see everything fine. But because I have a black car with black interior officers say they can't see me. And with your dumb logic you assume that I cannot see out. Well when I drive I face forward, and look through my windshield, 90% of the time. I certainly don't stare out my side windows. I can see everything fine. But cops think that because they can't see in, we can't see out and I think that is BS. But nice try on twisting my statement around to try and prove your point.

The car colour has nothing to with window tint.

The interior colour has nothing to do with window tint.

Just goes back to my suggested reason that tint can not be too dark, you have to see pedestrians, bicycles and other vehicles. This does not mean the "deer in the headlights" look (looking forward), but having to check left, right while driving and at intersections.

I can personally speak on tint as my car has tint. My rear sides are dark and my front tint light. To get out of my driveway at night (we have street lights) I always put down my rear windows to clearly see, there is very minimal traffic, but I don't want to hit someone walking. 2 mornings ago backing out I was but there was a pickup parked at the curb (everyone parks in their driveway, so someone was visiting). With the "C" pillar and angles I would never have seen it.

Anyway, if I can not see even an outline of a driver, they will be stopped. Whether the driver decides to talk themself into a ticket or not is up to them.

but you stated you park perpendicular to the road when you are on duty. which means you would be looking through the windshield? So having a light tint on the side windows should have no bearing on anything. You should be able to see right through my untinted windshield if my sides are tinted. And if you have tint on your windows you should also know that it is much easier to see out that in especially on a black car. I know on my black car the tint looks much darker looking in than looking out. But I don't really care. If you can see me through my windshield that should be sufficient. If you find some reason to pull me over I have to roll my window down to hand you my papers. But as I said before, most cops use the excuse, I can't see into your car therefore you cannot see out, so here's a ticket. Which is wrong in my opinion. Perhaps if you kicked me out of the car and actually sat in the front seat and looked through my windows you would have enough evidence to make a proper decision as to the condition and darkness/lightness of the tint.

If I wore a white jacket in my black car with a lime green seatbelt you would see the seatbelt no problem, but a black seatbelt on a black leather jacket in a black leather interior is not going to be seen by anyone sitting still while I drive by you at the speed limit.

knight_yyz wrote:I can't see into your car therefore ...

That right there is enough for the ticket. There are two separate laws for tint - one states that you must be able to see out, the other states that you must be able to see in.

knight_yyz wrote:but you stated you park perpendicular to the road when you are on duty. which means you would be looking through the windshield? .

I park at an area which is at an intersection, see directly thru the side windows as the vehicle is stopped at a stop sign.

hwybear wrote:

To get out of my driveway at night (we have street lights) I always put down my rear windows to clearly see, there is very minimal traffic, but I don't want to hit someone walking. 2 mornings ago backing out I was but there was a pickup parked at the curb (everyone parks in their driveway, so someone was visiting). With the "C" pillar and angles I would never have seen it.

When I walk out to my car in the early morning (4:30) I actually look to see who is parked on the road before I get into my car.