If you can bring doubt to the accuracy of the radar or lidar device the officer used in a speeding ticket, then you can probably get the radar evidence thrown out and beat the ticket. There are two ways to do this: (1) Bring your own expert witness to testify for you. Very expensive! (2) Cross-examine the officer with questions that bring doubt to the devices accuracy. This option is obviously the less expensive way, but is actually very difficult to do because the officer themselves is not required to be an expert in all areas of the radar and they can just answer they do not know to most of your questions and you have not achieved anything or brought any doubt to the device. So here is a suggested way that you can try, which combines both methods... I spent a lot of time searching for this case law, and found it on LexisNexis QuickLaw R. v. Brewer [1988] O.J. No. 2531 Get a copy here http://iwebss.com/wp-content/uploads/20 ... o-2531.pdf Print three copies of it and highlight the last paragraph on page 3 (and into page 4). Note what Judge Lampkin says in this paragraph: "I, myself, have looked at what I believe has come to be regarded, In these courts at least, as an authoritative work: "The Law on Speeding and Radar", a book which I commend to the Bar on both sides, defence as well as Crown, and indeed particularly to the police. It is authored by A. Shakoor Manraj, C.C., of The Middle Temple, London, England, barrister-at-law, Crown Prosecutor in The Provincial Offences Appeal Court at Old City Hall, Toronto; and Paul Douglas Haines, ph.D., formerly Consultant to both Canadian and United states Remote Sensing and Defence Research Establishments, now Vice president and Director of Research for Qualimage Incorporated, Gatineau, Quebec, and Research Analyst in Satellite and Airborne Image and Information Processing Systems." Now get a copy of "The Law on Speeding" by Manraj and Haines and bring this to court as well. Of course you have to read thru it and highlight the important parts first. During cross examination of the officer you can give a copy of the case law to JP and prosecutor and tell them that you will be asking the officer to read some portions of the book and will be asking him some questions from the book, and that Judge Lampkin's comments in the case law prove the book has some weight and authority. You are NOT trying to enter the book into evidence. You just want to be able to have the officer read from it and and answer questions from it. So what we are trying to acheive here is having the officer read sections of the book and then asking him if he agrees with what he read or not. If officer answers yes, then great. If the officer answers no, then we ask if he is an expert in this area of radar and knows more than the people that wrote the book (to which he should say no). Whether he answers yes or no is really irrelevent because Judege Lampkin has given weight to the words in the book, and once the officer reads from it, the JP will have to consider it. It is up to the JP in the end to how much weight they give the information in the book, but I believe because the case law is from a JUDGE, they will have to consider it and give it some weight. I will follow up in the future with more details on what sections of the book are probably important.
If you can bring doubt to the accuracy of the radar or lidar device the officer used in a speeding ticket, then you can probably get the radar evidence thrown out and beat the ticket.
There are two ways to do this:
(1) Bring your own expert witness to testify for you. Very expensive!
(2) Cross-examine the officer with questions that bring doubt to the devices accuracy. This option is obviously the less expensive way, but is actually very difficult to do because the officer themselves is not required to be an expert in all areas of the radar and they can just answer they do not know to most of your questions and you have not achieved anything or brought any doubt to the device.
So here is a suggested way that you can try, which combines both methods...
I spent a lot of time searching for this case law, and found it on LexisNexis QuickLaw
Print three copies of it and highlight the last paragraph on page 3 (and into page 4). Note what Judge Lampkin says in this paragraph:
"I, myself, have looked at what I believe has come to be regarded, In these courts at least, as an authoritative work: "The Law on Speeding and Radar", a book which I commend to the Bar on both sides, defence as well as Crown, and indeed particularly to the police. It is authored by A. Shakoor Manraj, C.C., of The Middle Temple, London, England, barrister-at-law, Crown Prosecutor in The Provincial Offences Appeal Court at Old City Hall, Toronto; and Paul Douglas Haines, ph.D., formerly Consultant to both Canadian and United states Remote Sensing and Defence Research Establishments, now Vice president and Director of Research for Qualimage Incorporated, Gatineau, Quebec, and Research Analyst in Satellite and Airborne Image and Information Processing Systems."
Now get a copy of "The Law on Speeding" by Manraj and Haines and bring this to court as well. Of course you have to read thru it and highlight the important parts first.
During cross examination of the officer you can give a copy of the case law to JP and prosecutor and tell them that you will be asking the officer to read some portions of the book and will be asking him some questions from the book, and that Judge Lampkin's comments in the case law prove the book has some weight and authority. You are NOT trying to enter the book into evidence. You just want to be able to have the officer read from it and and answer questions from it.
So what we are trying to acheive here is having the officer read sections of the book and then asking him if he agrees with what he read or not. If officer answers yes, then great. If the officer answers no, then we ask if he is an expert in this area of radar and knows more than the people that wrote the book (to which he should say no). Whether he answers yes or no is really irrelevent because Judege Lampkin has given weight to the words in the book, and once the officer reads from it, the JP will have to consider it.
It is up to the JP in the end to how much weight they give the information in the book, but I believe because the case law is from a JUDGE, they will have to consider it and give it some weight.
I will follow up in the future with more details on what sections of the book are probably important.
The only thing i'll say about that case is that: 1) It's from 1986, well prior to any training standards in Ontario. 2) Strike out any reference to tuning forks as most manufacturers don't require their use here. 3) It appears the officer didn't receive any training by a qualified instructor and didn't follow the manufacturers testing instructions. Of course this case should have been turned over at this level. 4) This is a Ontario Provincial Court decision and i'm sure there have been several higher court decisions since this one. Finally, good luck trying to have only select paragraphs read from a book. You can't simply cherry pick out portions of a book that you agree with and leave out others. Thats like picking only case law that is in your favour and ignoring all of the others.
The only thing i'll say about that case is that:
1) It's from 1986, well prior to any training standards in Ontario.
2) Strike out any reference to tuning forks as most manufacturers don't require their use here.
3) It appears the officer didn't receive any training by a qualified instructor and didn't follow the manufacturers testing instructions. Of course this case should have been turned over at this level.
4) This is a Ontario Provincial Court decision and i'm sure there have been several higher court decisions since this one.
Finally, good luck trying to have only select paragraphs read from a book. You can't simply cherry pick out portions of a book that you agree with and leave out others. Thats like picking only case law that is in your favour and ignoring all of the others.
I followed the procedures mentioned in the previous threads regarding the disclosure and received it today. My court date is November 5 2009 in Whitby. After going through the notes I realized 2 things:
1- the notes are horribly illegible and difficult to read
2- I have notes from two different officers.
Now I am not sure if this means that both the officers will be at court for the hearing or…
I hope I can paint the picture with the accuracy that the truth deserves. I have no intention of just beating a ticket.. but more like beating a really unfair ticket. You decide!
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Need an expert advice here. 10 days ago I got a speeding ticket. Ticket has a fatal error on its face-offense not known to law. It says speeding 75km/hr in posted 60km/hr zone. What is the best way to proceed?
1. Should I completely ignore this ticket and let the JP to quash it?
2. Should I go with option 3 - request a trial and force the fatal error by not showing up at court?
My name is Brian. I am in my late 20s and live in Toronto. I do not own a car but half a dozen times a year I rent one with my Visa. (To get out of the city and go to a beach or ski for example.)
I have never drunk and drive but I face a problem and Im wondering if anyone can tell me what to do. Several months ago I was at a weekend party and had quit a bit to consume. When I stopped…
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Crested a hill, officer coming at me, pulled a u turn and pulled me over.
I will go back and look again but I thought I was in an 80 not a 70 and I am positive I wasn't doing more than 120. My speedo read 110-115. I have aftermarket tires and rims so I assume this would be the difference.
It was around 7pm, already dark, nobody on the road but myself,…
I am looking for the case law that is commonly used when the prosecution says they only need to disclose the testing pages of a radar manual or laser manual.
I am only interested in the binding decisions (appeals court or higher?), and not in the non-binding Justice of the Peace decisions.
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A friend of mine (who is from China and with no knowledge of English at all) asked me to interpret for him on court.
He got pulled over by a stealth patrol car last october, got 3 tickets (fail to show insurance card, using cell phones and fail to stop on right for emergency vehicle) , court date is next week. He told me his insurance expired for less than a month and other charges are false…
I understand the severity of my offences, and I can't stress how much I regret it. I know I endangered the lives of myself and more importantly others. I usually do not speed and I know running late for work is an unacceptable excuse. I will be a man and accept the consequences of my actions although I would appreciate any advice for my situation.
Guys back in january i got a speeding ticket on dvp, but i am 90% sure he did not caught me on radar, i asked for disclosure request and i just received today, I have asked for: a full copy of the police officers notes, a copy of both sides of the officers copy of the ticket, witness will say statements, speed gun manual, calibration record, repair history and officer's training certificate but…
I need some help here. So today I was on my way to get my tires changed from my winter tires to my regular summer staggered set of tires. I was driving in mississauga on my way to my destination, I got pulled over by an officer where I was given a ticket for having improper mudguards. For some context, I drive a stock 2013 C63 AMG with winter tires at the time. I was never…
I'd like to start this off by saying for the last two weeks I have been browsing the forums. I'm trying to prepare myself for an early resolution meeting with a prosecutor (in Brampton, if that matters). I have a clean record and as a teacher, I always do my best to follow rules (trying to practice what I preach!)
On December 4, 2014 I was preparing to turn right at a very busy intersection.…
I have question, today I was going to work in my normal route there is a triangle intersection with my side being the only one with a stop sign.
There's a car in front me who stopped at the stop sign, and the third-side there's a incoming car with their hazard-light flashing but they don't have stop sign, yet coming in at a slow speed.
Right after the car in front me went through the stop sign,…
On my way to work this morning I received a ticket for disobey sign. I was on Hwy 10 Mississauga in the right lane. The right lane leads to the 401 and there is a sign saying Right Lane Exits. I Tried to merge left before the on ramp as did 3 other people. We all got a ticket for doing that. Is there anything I can do? I did not realize I was breaking any law it was a dotted line where I tried to…
This is my first post, before I jump right in I would like to thank the forum, members, posters and moderators for all the information posted. I feel like I have been able to learn a lot from others experiences, so thank you all.
This will be a lengthy post. But if you are dealing with a Disobey Sign HTA 182(2) - No Straight Through Intersection you may find this extremely…
Let me start this with saying that this isn't in regards to a ticket, more a discussion surrounding front license plates and learning about the rules behind them. (Most of the quote stuff is using colloquial terms, mostly because I couldn't really find a better way to describe it; it's not meant to be offensive.)
I know Ontario law/HTA mandates having a front license plate unlike some States in…
Hi Guys! I've just had my trial day yesterday. I was not at fault but was convicted anyways.
It is such a travesty! There is no justice at the traffic court. It is just a no mercy machine to part someone with his money, no common sense applies and no reasonable argument being considered. Such a shame! The justice, the policeman and the prosecutor ganged up against me. The justice kept interrupting…
Well first of all ... glad to have found the forum - hoping to find answers to 'alot' of questions
I was unfortunate in July 2010 in that I ended up rolling my 2009 Ranger three times, through a fence and landing on the roof on a rained-out road that was/is in need of proper repair in Eastern Ontario.
I was assisted out of the vehicle by the driver who was behind me.
I was traveling down the 401, noticed a speed trap, and started flashing my lights -- in order to warn oncoming drivers.
Within a 30 seconds, a car slowed, crossed the grass, and approached me from behind. Lights appeared, and I then realised that this was an officer in an undercover car.
The officer pulled me over, and while he was polite, clearly his motivation was to…
Does anyone know the specific law, statute, Charter right to refer to when a prosecutor or justice attempts to change the charge on a ticket after a trial has begun? I assume I'd object immediately (without interrupting anyone, of course) but what would be the specific legal basis of my objection?
I was right behind a school bus that looked like it was pulling over to the side in order to turn down a side street, I saw no lights so decided to go around (wide street). Was still moving as I was passing, then as I did pass I heard horn and looked back and in fact it was pulling over to p/u school kids (was a block away from my son's school, so just assumed it wouldn't be picking up kids...it…