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Roadside Trailer Seizure without impound order? + tickets
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:52 am 
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Good day all, Thanks in advance for listening and your assistance.
I am wondering if some of you can assist me in a unique scenario.

I was travelling home last friday with a truck and a empty trailer. I went to go look at a tractor, I did not purchase so I travelled back with no load on the trailer.

I was on the 401, at which point I was pulled over by a OPP officer. The officer was very adamant that I required a CVOR, and that I what I was doing, even though my truck is a SUV with blue plates, and the trailer was empty, was for commercial purposes. At which point I told him I went to go look at a tractor, I have a small hobby farm, and this was all for personal use.

He asked me to get off the highway and meet me in a church parking lot.

He held me there for a total of 2 hours, and performed a roadside safety. The result of the roadside safety was a ticket for improper braking system as the e-brake did not hold the diesel suv when put in drive. Everything else was fine with the vehicle.

Here comes the horror story with the trailer:

He asked for the ownership for the trailer, I did not have it with me so I could not produce it. He did not have a computer in his cruiser so he ran the plate thats on the trailer. It came back as unattached and previously registered to the landscaping company I purchased it from. At this point he starts talking about how these trailers are a hot commodity and commonly stolen, so he starts searching for a VIN plate. The trailer is a number of years old, and the VIN plate must have been painted over on it as some point.

I told him that I am certain the trailer is registered in my name, but it must have slipped my mind to swap license plates on the trailer with the new one and remove the previous owners. My mistake 100%.

He further talks about how he can not confirm the trailer belongs to me as there is no visible vin plate, and he does not have a computer. I asked him since he can call in and look up the plate on the trailer that is now unattached, why can't he pull the VIN off the plate and run that, and he will see the trailer is indeed in my name. He simply responded with "I can't" and proceeded to tell me to wait in my car.

Here is where it gets very shady
After another 30 minutes of waiting a flatbed arrives, and at which point the officer tells me he is seizing/impounding the trailer under suspicion of theft, and that I need to disconnect the trailer.

I do so, and the trailer gets loaded onto a flatbed and moved to the tow companies impound yard.

He hands me several tickets:
Truck related:
- Improver Braking System 64(1)
Trailer Related:
- Failure to apply for permit of vehicle
- Failure to Surrended permit of trailer
- Use plate not authorized for vehicle 12(1)(d)
- Draw trailer- no identification number 10(2)(a)

HE DID NOT HAND ME A IMPOUND ORDER or any paperwork related to the impound Simply told the tow company to wait until he releases it, and they were off.

He tells me that If in fact it is true the trailer is in my name, I can meet him the next day with the ownership or the invoice and he will release the trailer, and he said he will remove some of the tickets.

I scheduled a meeting with him for 8am the next day.

8am rolls around, and hes is not at the OPP station, a few phone calls to dispatch later, another officer shows up because this officer was busy, and he takes a photocopy of the ownership I provide him for the trailer (has been in my name for several months) and he takes back the ticket for failure to apply for permit as that is what the previous officer instructed him to.

At this point he calls the tow yard, has them release the trailer, and hands me a business card with handwritten info on it regarding authorizing the release, and tells me to hand that to the tow yard.

The questions I have, was this impound legitimate if no paperwork was handed to me? Did this officer do a unlawful seizure?

Side note regarding tow company experience:
On scene, I asked the tow truck driver what the charges will be. He says OPP sets the charges, and its $250 for the tow, and $60 per day storage. I say ok.
When the trailer gets released the following morning I went to pick up the trailer (the trailer has been there for 18hrs.) I get charged for $300 tow charge, and $60 per day storage x2 days, because apparently they do not have clocks, so they roll the next day over at midnight.
$474 total to get the trailer out of there after less than one day. Complete rip off service. You can tell these guys are a rip off because of the caliber of cars parked in front of their lot. Several muscle cars and old school trucks.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:41 pm 
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I have heard of an active scam where tow truck operators will falsely report vehicles towing trailers for unsafe equipment even if there is nothing at all wrong with the trailer or vehicle . Tow truck operators then make a killing off of you for the OPP dispatched tow .

Yes , highway robbery is very much alive and well .

Sorry that you went through this .


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 5:31 pm 
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I think you're lucky you didn't get buggered up with the CVOR issue.

If your truck and trailer are registered for or are actually over 4500 kg then a CVOR would be required. (There are a few exceptions but I don't believe you qualify)

If you are deemed to be commercial vehicle you could have been charged with the following in addition to what you already have:

No CVOR
No Pretrip Inspection for Truck and Trailer
No Log Book (if you travel over a certain distance)
No Annual Safety Inspection Sticker for Truck and Trailer

A commercial vehicle you can be impounded for 15 days if it has a critical safety defect.


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Re: Roadside Trailer Seizure without impound order? + ticket
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 6:12 pm 
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Sorry but you are 100% wrong on the CVOR issue, I have already spoken to the MTO and if the greater of my actual weight or combined gvwr I am required a PCMVI inspection sticker which is the only thing more the officer could of charged me with.


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Re: Roadside Trailer Seizure without impound order? + ticket
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:22 pm 
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Sorry I forgot about the personal use exemption they came out with a few years back (living in the past I guess). Basically to qualify your vehicle should not have been modified in any significant way (if it's a pickup it must have the original box on it) and must not be engaging in most commercial activities. What I said is true but only if you are deemed to be commercial (it's easier than you think). Just be sure to say you use it only for transporting your personal property and leave it at that.

Like you said you still need the yellow annual safety inspection stickers if you reach the weight threshold, otherwise you don't even need them. But having the annual inspections done may have saved you a ticket if mechanic would have caught the brakes not grabbing hard enough.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:52 am 
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Just using plates not authorized I would tow the trailer.

lucky, b/c an emergency brake not working also fails to meet vehicle standards and the vehicle plates could have been pulled and charged with unsafe vehicle.

CVOR is required when RGW is over 4,500kgs

Annual Safety - required when Registered Gross weight is over 4500kgs OR combined actual/gross is over 4500kgs OR RGVW (manufacturer door plate) inside your door is over 4500kgs . Pickup owners check the RGVW routinely see no annual on heavier pickups

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