Hello everyone, Exactly a week ago today, I was caught going 135 in an 80, on Highway 3 near Windsor, Ontario. I know this is just completely idiotic and there hasn't been a minute since I was charged that I haven't been smacking myself for this. I'm very, very remorseful and just overall torn about this. Background information on me: I'm only 17, turning 18 in a few months. I have a G2 licence. I am male. This is my first (and hopefully only...) infraction on my record. What happened: My (stupid) excuse for going this speed was the lanes on the highway were merging a few lights away and I wanted to pass a rather large truck that was in the left lane so I wouldn't be stuck behind it for the rest of my drive (~30 minutes, I was on my way to pick up family members from their workplaces). As there were no other cars near me, I started speeding up in hopes of passing the truck when I noticed a cop car on the side of the road. My heart sank to my stomach when I glanced at my speedometer and realized the speed I was going. Low and behold, the cop pulled out and I pulled over. The cop told me he had me at 137, but clocked me in at 135. Please keep in mind I'm not trying to justify going that speed at all. I know how stupid it was. My licence was suspended for 7 days, parents' car impounded for 7 days and I received a court summons for "Race a motor vehicle" contrary to section 172(1) of The HTA. I just got my (parents') car back today. The impound and towing fees were $500. I also received a letter in the mail from the HTO with a temporary licence. Questions: 1) So, my court date is in less than a month. From what I've been reading online, if the speed isn't grossly over the 50+ threshold, the Crown often offers a deal to pleading guilty to 49 over and not the stunt driving/racing charge. I was 6km (or 8km? if the cop clocked me in at 135, is this speed they use in court?) over this threshold, so I'm hoping and praying this will be the case for me. How likely is this? 2) I have no idea how my court date works. Is the first summons where the prosecutor would likely offer me a plea deal? If not, am I screwed? What would happen if I was offered no deal? Do I approach the prosecutor and request a lesser charge? 3) Should I hire a paralegal or a lawyer for something like this? Do I need to hire them before my first court date, or should I just attend the first summons and see if I'm offered the 49 over plea bargain? As I said, I'm hoping and praying that the Crown will have mercy on me and drop the race a motor vehicle charge. I'm paying for everything (as I should) out of my very shallow pockets, including the towing, impound, lawyer and fine fees. I'm going into my first year of University in September, and I was hoping to buy a car to drive to and from my second year. If I get convicted of the race a motor vehicle charge, my insurance will be completely unaffordable for the next three years and I have no idea how I would afford going to University. I'll be checking this thread regularly for any advice, so thank you in advance to anyone who replies! I'll also be sure to post the results of whatever happens after my court date so if anyone in a similar situation comes across this thread, they'll at least be able to know the outcome of my situation.

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Re: Charged with 172(1) -- Seeking advice

Bump. Going back tomorrow to plead guilty... is it too late to delay this and try and talk to the prosecutor for 3 points?

Bump. Going back tomorrow to plead guilty... is it too late to delay this and try and talk to the prosecutor for 3 points?

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I don't think you're going to be able to get it down to 3 points, I think the deal you were offered for 49 over is about as good as it is going to get. If you try to talk the prosecution down more they may just withdraw the 49 over deal and send you to trial on the full speed racing charge.

I don't think you're going to be able to get it down to 3 points, I think the deal you were offered for 49 over is about as good as it is going to get. If you try to talk the prosecution down more they may just withdraw the 49 over deal and send you to trial on the full speed racing charge.

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I think 49 over is the best deal you will get. But if it was me, I would still want to opt for disclosure before I agreed to the 49 over charge, so you could still ask about it.

I think 49 over is the best deal you will get. But if it was me, I would still want to opt for disclosure before I agreed to the 49 over charge, so you could still ask about it.

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