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Hello All. Interesting one here.

I was pulled over by a OPP in town after waiting at a red light with several other cars. He arrived at my window and said he pulled me over for not wearing a seat belt and could he see my DL, INS etc which I gave to him. Pink ins slip was out of date, but other than that everything was in order. He wrote me a seat ...

Maybe ask your broker (and a couple of new ones since not all brokers deal with all insurance companies) to quote you a hypothetical rate with a new ins co to see if you can get similar premium if you take a plea. Some insurance companies will give you a free ticket.

6) Since I don't have disclosure with me before ER, I'm going to ask the prosecutor if I can see the notes (or whatever he has). What are some things I should look for in the notes just to make sure he did everything according to the law, and if not I can get the case thrown away?
You may as well go fly a kite. Listen to the offer, which will ...

If I understand you correctly, you were tagged with 104 in a 60 and you're upset because the officer was set up to get you just as you came into the 60? So that means you were doing 104 in an 80....24 over? I *might* see your point if you were doing 80 90 or even 95 in an 80 but 104 in an 80? Take a plea man. Explain the situation at ER and ask for ...

Post deleted. On second thought, I'll send you an e-mail instead. The walls have ears. Next thing you know, the OPP will have Decatur revise the manual again.

A paralegals value IMO is knowledge of court proceedings, ability to talk in court and possibly a report with the crown that may get a favorable plea. Last time I was in court a paralegal walked into the little room to discuss a taxi drivers careless charge and came out with a miracle..... following too close or something innocuous like that ...

jsherk wrote:

rank wrote:It clearly states in the Genesis operator manual that I read, before the officer locks a speeder, the officer must compare that the speedo reading and the radar patrol speed are the same.

Do you know what section of the manual it says this in?

Nope. I wasn't allowed to take pictures or make copies. I just took notes and asked questions

Perhaps people who allegedly know about these things don't want to give too many details as having too much education out there may affect their livelihood...
I suspect you're correct. Which is shameful and begs the question, why are these people in this forum then? To spread half truths? It is a truly sad when some civil servants paid with tax ...

When I read that quote about VIP, I just understand it to mean that the unit is using the signal from patrol vehicle computer (via vip/vss cable) to compare against the patrol vehicle speed that is being generated by the radar. The radar is receiving multiple signals back and has to determine which one is patrol vehicle speed and which one is ...

It does not obtain the patrol speed from the VIP.
...the Genesis radar does accept vehicle speed through the VIP.....
but it doesn't establish the patrol speed through it.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: My head hurts.

Obviously, when you say vehicle speed you mean speed of the patrol car (not target speed). What then is the ...

Good find :D
This does infer that the patrol speed displayed on the radar device is still determined by radar though.
Where do you see that inference?
I don't see any mention of the radar antenna being used to determine patrol speed in a VIP equipped radar unit.

To quote hwybear, "VIP (vehicle interface portal) is a feature that constantly ...

Decatur wrote: And to clarify one of the highlighted areas, the Genesis radar does accept vehicle speed through the VIP but it doesn't establish the patrol speed through it.

If the radar antenna still determines PS then how is shadowing eliminated by plugging in VIP?

I would think that the people that allegedly use this device would know what it plugs into. Voila. The big mystery is solved.

" The VIP™ is a compact module that plugs into the diagnostic port of the vehicle improving the performance of the Genesis II Select™ radar. The VIP™ reads the speed information sent by the diagnostic port and uses that ...

jsherk wrote:What does the v.i.p. plugin do?

Exactly. And how does the VIP eliminate shadowing?

The OPP instructor and I discussed this at length and I thought I understood it. I suppose I'll have to get another speeding ticket so I can sit with him again and review the manual. Maybe he'll just get tired of me and make me a copy LOL.

from this site, the fine is $400 to $50,000
http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic183.html

Hi Everyone,

First off, Thank you for all the input and advice you've given to everyone on this forum. It is incredible.

I received a ticket for speeding 112Km in an 80km zone. The officer reduced the ticket to 104Km/hr and also coded my ticket with an R. There were 3 cars directly in front of me going significantly faster than I was while the ...

Potentially?
Did you have the phone in your hand or not? (you don't have to answer my question but you will have to answer the crown when they ask you).
More importantly, is it possible that the officer saw you with the phone in your hand?
Most importantly, can you get the officer to say, on the stand, that he did not see you with the phone in your ...

Does anyone know if video evidence is permitted in court?

I have taken some video footage at the scene of where I was given a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign to show the trees covering the sign and the reasons why the sign is not visible . I even went as far as to measure the distance from the sign out to 60 meters to show that the ...

I just want to know if it exists or not!
I would think if the Judge didn't know about it, and the crown reduced her statement from "It's the law" to "It's procedure" then we can safely assume that the crown lied. They are prone to that you know. You of all people should know they cannot be believed. These people that enforce laws seem to think ...

[quote="jsherk"]They must have a witness that SAW the event testify. They can not use the witness statement. The person themselves must show up to tell their story.

The police officer is there to say that they checked id and took report and issued ticket, but if the officer did not witness the event, then they can not testify to that.

If the ...

The radar instructor explained to me that this is because the radar uses Vehicle Interface protocol". He went on to say that VIP means the radar is tied to the cars ECM therefore it doesn't matter what the speedo says.
Wow, this is important... I had always assumed that the patrol speed displayed on the radar unit was calculated using the radar ...

And for the record...the patrol speed on the radar IS established by the radar unit itslef, not by the cars speedometer or the V.I.P. (portal, not protocol)
Hmmm. The radar instructor was pretty explicit in his explanation to me. I thought I understood him but maybe not so can you elaborate?

1. How radar units establish patrol speed?
2. What ...

Not sure why you were even driving 115 if the fog as as bad as you say, but......was there no "60 ahead" sign?

It sounds to me like the OP is talking about a defense of necessity? Good luck with that. With regard to accelerating from 40 to 57 maybe the tracking history (if the re is any will corroborate the story, but he'd still be relying on defense of necessity.

It seems to me that you could defend yourself using the damage to the vehicles as evidence.

Did you take pictures and or would you be relying on the police photos?
Did the police take photos?
Was this a left hand corner or a right hand corner?
What is your vehicle?
What is the other vehicle?

Whose witness would he be? If the crown doesn't need/want to use him then the defendant is in a tough spot isn't he?

I appreciate your detailed account.

I also used math to show the impossibility of the speeding ticket I was given. However, my case differs from yours in that I met with the crown before trial and laid out my case, after which the officer changed his story and the charge was dropped so there was never a trial.

I'm also not 100% clear on why the ...

Life is hard. Harder when you're stupid

... How does the average person who can not afford a Supreme Court challenge stand up for everybody else and these court rulings recognized?
Haha you can't and that's what they want. The crown would have to screw up royally to allow a trial to proceed in front of a JP if he/she gets the feeling you're on to something. I hope the JP finds me ...

If i recall correctly, the Decatur genesis 2 manual states that if there is a difference between the radar speed displayed and the speedometer speed displayed during the test, then the radar should be considered accurate. The radar instructor explained to me that this is because the radar uses Vehicle Interface protocol". He went on to say that VIP ...