Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story hwybear wrote:watcher wrote:, showing my calibrated speedometer and my GPS, another .
I have yet to see any civilian vehicle that has stamped on it "calibrated speedometer" such as in purpose built police vehicles. Where does one go about obta…
Re: Canlii Reference's The problem I see with Raham is it derailed the serious HTA 172 constitutionality discussion to a tussle on esoteric differences (even in legal terms) between types of offenses.
A law (HTA 172) which says penalties (administrative penalties are still p…
Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story Sorry to offend Radar, but it is frustrating to present common-practice concepts regarding legally required industry standards of calibration, measurement and documentation to have it all weasel-worded away.
Maybe that's why Metrology is a bit of a mys…
Re: Calibration discrepancy or sloppy writing - viable defen Decatur wrote:That's funny. I don't see any mention of a "laser" being used or anything on the disclosure about "calibration" I see a Decatur Electronics Genesis II being used.
That's very funny... to me all those Magic Speed Readi…
Re: Calibration discrepancy or sloppy writing - viable defen At least whoever created the form got it right, calling it "comparison" not calibration. But it gets treated as a calibration, as there is no actual calibration. Sorry, no points this round.
Why should the defendant have to educate the poli…
Re: Calibration discrepancy or sloppy writing - viable defen Oh PLEASE!
Using a speedometer to "calibrate" or even "verify" a laser unit is like using your foot to calibrate/verify a tape measure. It's even less pertinent than the self-check. OK, the speedo and the radar agree, but which one…
Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story This thread demonstrates how a flawed understanding of metrology can lead to all sorts of weird and wonderful results. Lets separate out the component parts.
I think all now understand that the FCC/Industry Canada Certifications in the User manual hav…
Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story Ah yes, the "ad absurdium" tactic. OK, I'll play...
When you the mushroom consumer stands a chance of paying a hefty fine or even going to jail because the person weighing your fungi has his/her finger on the scale and enjoys defacto legal imm…
Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story The point of ensuring proper INDEPENDENT calibrations are done and documentation is maintained to police speed measurement devices is to remove any question on that issue. If these were always done and readily available upon request, the courts would soo…
Re: Breathing new life into "guilty with explanation"? At least the idea has made it to this level of court, and given the significant consideration apparently put into this ruling, doubtful it would be overturned if applied under the appropriate circumstances.
Maybe the JP's/judges are also getting tired …
Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story Reflections wrote:you certain;y are well read Watcher........ keep up the references and some day you may be a moderator!
Thanks... I think. Kinda one of those "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" things.
Most of the cred…
Breathing new life into "guilty with explanation"? R. ex rel. City of Toronto v. Doroz, 2011 ONCJ 281
http://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/20 ... cj281.html
On appeal, found that the court can give a suspended sentence on guilty plea entered for speeding charges, if the judge feels circumstances do n…
Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story Decatur wrote:?
Most radar units I've dealt with are sent back to the distributor and calibrated on an annual basis or when any repairs are done.
Did any of the radar/lidar units you've dealt with carry stickers showing the name of the calibration lab, t…
Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story It is nice that the courts recognize the legal requirement for speed radar electronic to meet basic FCC and/or Industry Canada certifications for operation in Canada. I leave it to others to figure out whether some form of reciprocity exists in Ontario c…
Re: (and a few other questions)noise, aftermarket equipment The "anti-noise" situation is very fluid at the moment, with local jurisdictions like Caledon passing by-laws relating to SAE vehicle standards. In most cases, the by-laws specifically target motorcycles, but it appears the legal challenges to …
Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story fredfred wrote:hwybear wrote:This information is very very readily available,
- Industry Canada standard is printed in the radar manual
It may be on some manuals but definitely not on all... I have a Decatur Genesis-VP manual in front of me and while i…
Re: Charge Withdrawn - Success story I also have been reading here for a while, learned much but never felt I could contribute more than what was being posted by others. But measurement and calibration is a subject I do have some background in.
Conceptually, for any measurement to be use…
