Ontario Highway Traffic Act

The bylaw info I got from ticketcombat's site. Sounds like I'm doomed. So far:

- bilingual sign defense doesn't appear to sound to convincing and iffy
- bylaw forget it now that I'm told it won't hold.
- strict liability maybe but I'm told a no turn will be treated as an absolute.

My only chance in hell is if the cop doesn't show. Ha

Yes another section may help as suggested.

I'm not trying to worm my way out. I know I made a right turn where I wasn't supposed to but didn't actually realize I was doing it (didn't see the sign). Exactly as someone pointed out that you are trying to focus on the road where pedestrians are crossing and cars are. Now maybe if I had been from the ...

Exactly. That's the thing I find confusing. Trying to read between the lines in all the information that is posted and trying to make sense of it all.

ticketcombat has been very helpful as well. I may just use the bilingual sign defense.

What's the current turnaround time for a trial date in Toronto currently? If it's 1 year, can I motion a ...

this keeps getting more and more confusing.

I think I'll mail my request in for a trial and see what happens.

Yes I'll have to go back and check the sign again next week.

144(9) would fall under a strict liability right? So what you mean is that once they prove I actually made the turn (which I did but with an innocent state of mind and not intentially) then they have to listen to my reasoning why and if they agree, they dismiss it correct?

Thanks.

thanks lawmen,

I will be going there next week to look at the sign...which I never saw in the first place anyhow. I honestly didn't know I wasn't supposed to turn there so maybe I have a better chance or using the 'strict liability' defense. This was for section 144(9). The officer signed the ticket and put the following

At: "N/B Bay St to E/B ...

oh and don't forget the charter of rights issue as well that would apply to the set fine issue.

ticketcombat..

Thanks. I sent you a pm after looking at your site since I didn't see a 'contact' page on your site

I got the ticket in Toronto but don't live in Toronto. Does that make a difference?

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It was in Toronto - Bay and Bloor area. The set fine is $85 and total payable $110. Thought you mentioned that any fine for HTA 144 should NOT have a set fine listed since it's between 60-500 and if there is a set fine then it's an error and to contest it.

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Thanks for the reply.

I was responding to the comment regarding set fines for 144. I was making a right turn during the hours that I shouldn't have been. Didn't know I wasn't allowed but regardless.. a ticket is a ticket.

Just read your statement about the set fines. On my ticket it says I owe $85. Total payable $110. So I'm just wondering ...

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I have a question regarding the set fine comment. Because there is a set fine for 144(9), does this mean I should plead not guilty and explain that there is an error on the ticket and ask that the ticket be dismissed because of this error? Or can they simply ammend the ticket and charge me more? Just curious for clarification on that.

Also, do ...