I acknowledge your desire to help but I would suggest his best option is to ask for a reduced fine based on ability to pay. ? think we can agree too that when an officer doesn't know the answer, that he or she shouldn't pretend to know the answer. What the officer said placed pressure on my relative to plead guilty and pay immediately so that he wouldn't have to wait long to reinstate his license. If the officer knew that to be untrue, that is misconduct. If he was unsure of the truth, he should have simply suggested going to the MTO. Or your relative, who you admit will need a translator mis...

I don't know what would give me that thought you said that. Maybe I was wrong or mis-read or Perhaps it is the title "Reducing fines: police stop car for no reason or made-up one Maybe it was too much trouble for you to read more than the sentence in the subject line, which must be condensed because of space. Here's are the highlights of what I wrote of the officer so you won't have to bother with the 30 seconds it would have taken to read the thread: "Please understand I am asking these questions not knowing the answers; perhaps my suspicion is incorrect." "So my question...

I'm afraid you're clutching at straws. You say that the officer clearly indicated that he knew the licence was expired at the time of the stop. That's his reason to pull the vehicle over. He would likely have been running random plates and got a hit which precipitated the stop but he then wanted to do a doublecheck or perhaps run the licence through CPIC as opposed to just the MTO. The offence is made out. All of your issues about not getting a reminder, him being unable to read the small print, the MTO not advising him upon plate renewal are red herrings. He needed a licence to drive, he did...

I notice one thing. You were not there and are getting information second hand. Yet you are sure that the officer stopped for made up reason. Maybe your relative is not telling you everything. You call it a made up reason but the officer told him at the outset he was stopped for having an expired dl and in fact it was expired so that suggests he knew that prior and was not making anything up. If he was just fishing as you seem to be implying he would have just stopped to check his dl, ins, and registration status which like it or not is allowed in Ontario. The police are not them to. I only k...

I'm afraid you're clutching at straws. You say that the officer clearly indicated that he knew the licence was expired at the time of the stop. That's his reason to pull the vehicle over. He would likely have been running random plates and got a hit which precipitated the stop but he then wanted to do a doublecheck or perhaps run the licence through CPIC as opposed to just the MTO. The offence is made out. All of your issues about not getting a reminder, him being unable to read the small print, the MTO not advising him upon plate renewal are red herrings. He needed a licence to drive, he did...

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A 75-year-old relative who hasn't had an accident in 40-plus years was driving his vehicle in a lawful manner, with a valid license sticker and insurance, when he was pulled over by a police officer -- the officer said my relative was pulled over because his driver's license was expired. You told us your relative was driving with an expired licence = no licence to drive, which means he is not driving in a lawful manner. Thankfully no collision, I don't know any insurance that would cover a claim with a unlicensed driver HB Ps.... Your posts merged together, same event Thanks for your input an...

A 75-year-old relative who hasn't had an accident in 40-plus years was driving his vehicle in a lawful manner, with a valid license sticker and insurance, when he was pulled over by a police officer -- the officer said my relative was pulled over because his driver's license was expired. Sure enough, the license was expired - my father-in-law had never received a renewal notice in the mail, can't see his license without reading glasses and had even shown his then-expired license at Service Ontario when he had renewed his plate sticker a few months earlier but they had said nothing. The officer...

1) No, your relative should be able to renew their licence right away since theyve yet to be convicted of the offence. 2) It would be dependent on what type of software the officer had in his cruiser, what type of query was made and what databases were accessible at the time. Since the persons actual licence contains more detailed information, a second check with the confirmed identify in hand is pretty common. I know youre thinking there was some type of deception involved but I genuinely dont see it. 3) Enter a plea of not guilty and contact the Court or Crowns office and enquire if first a...

Police are allowed to stop random vehicles to ensure drivers are licenced, insured, etc. If the officer knew your relatives licence was expired, that would certainly be more than enough reason to conduct a traffic stop. Its also perfectly normal for police to collect the drivers documents then return to their cruiser to conduct further queries, write up notes, tickets, etc. In short, there is nothing improper or abnormal with what youre describing. I would still strongly recommend however that your relative request a first attendance meeting. Ensure theyve renewed their licence to show the Cr...

A relative was driving his vehicle in a lawful manner, with a valid license sticker and insurance, when he was pulled over by a police officer, who claimed his license was expired. Sure enough, the license was expired. The officer then said he needed to check if there was any suspension on the license, which there was not. First questions: If he wasn't aware if there was a suspension, then how could he have known if the license had been expired in the first place? If he checked for license expiration on his cruiser computer before stopping my relative, wouldn't he have seen then if there had b...