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VICTORY! Guys we won!!! We beat both the Speeding & Stunt Driving charges got them both 'stayed' - in order to say thanks and contribute back to these forums for all the help we were given, i've posted this thread http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic3722.html explaining the entire process and how we were able to win.

Thank-you all so ...

Radar Identified, thanks for your post and I take your point with respect to being held pending a bail hearing however we are comparing apples to oranges. With a murder or criminal trial there is an elevated risk of flight so I can understand a person being detained under that scenario, however in this particular case there is no real risk of ...

Thats some great feedback thanks guys.

Something that has tweaked my interest and puzzled me ever since registering on this website and with the bombardment of advertisements on the TV, Radio, Internet etc for companies willing to help you beat your Traffic tickets - a common thread I've noticed is most of these companies are run by, or staffed by former police officers.

So this got ...

Thanks guys for all your feedback and suggestions its really appreciated.

Simon Borys thanks very much for that link to the article you wrote on your site, I read it in its entirety and found it very helpful. Thanks also to your points 1-5 above. I'd like to respond to a couple if I may.

1) As I see it, and I am sure a great many other Canadians ...

I belive this is what the Ministry was referring to as "Police Privilege" - but there is a way to get it removed I am just not sure how and thats what I am hoping someone here can help and shed some light on. Hopefully someone knows the answer to this.

Hey guys, as you can see we've used all the advise and recommendations from this site to win the traffic tickets for my father-in-law with a successful 11B application which had the case against him 'stayed'.

We are now facing a new challenge. Though his trial is now over and the 11B application has done its job - there is still a record of the ...

VICTORY! Guys we won!!! We beat both the Speeding & Stunt Driving charges got them both 'stayed' - in order to say thanks and contribute back to these forums for all the help we were given, i've posted this thread http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic3722.html explaining the entire process and how we were able to win.

Thank-you all so very ...

Yes we won!!! We got the charges stayed! WAHOO! First before I go on, I must pause for a moment to thank each and every single one of you that helped me help my father in law successfully defeat his 2 tickets (Stunt Driving + Speeding). For a background on what happened please check here: http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic2159.html

This ...

We did get the disclosure - but they sent it to us only 3 days before our initial trial date (gave us just 3 days to prepare) - then they couldn't keep the trial date because the court was too busy and they gave a new trial date at the end of April. Since we cant find out if the 11B is going to be accepted until the date of the trial, he is unsure ...

Thank-you this is all excellent advise - much appreciated :)

We would only be asking for an adjournment "if" the 11B is rejected....... if the 11B is accepted we win......... so the only reason we would ask for an adjournment is if the 11B is declined. The basis for the adjournment request would be that we were counting on the 11B to resolve the ...

Excellent thanks thats the clarification i've been looking for. So everything that was done up until now is so that the 11B venu is available on the day of the trial - but the 11B on its own wont win the case, we need to "sell" it to the JP to win - got it thanks - and thanks for the tips!

PS: As a plan B - if the 11B is rejected, can we ask the ...

To keep this thread updated, I will post the answers to my own questions in the hopes that it can help someone else.

Here are the answers to questions 1 thru 4 (I found out that in my last post the order of who to serve first was wrong for questions 3 & 4 - below is the proper order).

The offices that must be served (in proper order) are:

1 ...

Hi Carol

Whats been done is the following.

6 Books containing all the necessary information were created and bound per the instructions on this site and ticketcombat.com. All 6 books were stamped and served to the Attorney General of Ontario and Canada. Also served was the court and the prosecutor leaving 2 copies left over for the day of court ...

Yes congratulations!!!!! I am in the same boat right now too.....

Question for you guys - I too have gone thru the 11B process but want a Plan B just as diehard, lets say your 11B is hypothetically is rejected - can you then ask the court to delay proceedings for say 30 to 60 days on the grounds that you have not had enough time to prepare your ...

Hi Guys,

Ok today all 6 books were stamped by all the necessary parties - I still however can not find any good information on what to do from here. I've reviewed these forums and ticketcombat.com (excellent resources and have been very hepful) - however I cant find any good information on what to do / expect from here.

Now that everyone has been ...

Sorry I forgot one last question. Once you have all the books stamped and everyone is served - where do we go from there?

How do we find out if the 11B is accepted or not? Do we just wait until trial? From what i've read an 11B is a "pre-trial" matter which needs to be addressed before the trial actually starts. So if this is correct - where do we ...

Thanks for your feedback much appreciated

Thanks diehard - but I guess my question would be - how do you prove they got the fax? What if they say the fax was never received? How do we prove they got the fax without having their stamp on each book?

PS: The books are already printed and we paid Staples to Bind them so dont really mind so much having to get the stamp, but it sucks that the ...

Thanks Radar Identified - but how can we fax such a large document? More-over do we not need their stamp on all other copies of the 11B? I've made 6 copies following the guidelines on this thread, but the books are so large I dont see how we could fax it or get them to stamp all our other copies.

These are the guidelines i've been following:
The ...

Hello, thanks for all these great documents. If you are filing for a section 11B these documents give great information if your traffic court is in Toronto, but what if its in York Region - say in Newmarket? Do you still have to deliver all these documents to the Toronto locations? If not, how does one go about finding the proper offices in their ...

Ok - UPDATE -

We have created all the Section 11B documents (6 bound documents) prepared and TABBED in the exact order from all the reading you've link us to - THANKS A MILLION!

Question - the links refer to serving the various agencies but it talks about Toronto. I am referring to:
1) Department of Justice
2) Attorney General of Ontario
3 ...

Thanks Radar Identified - I see I have some reading cut out for me here - appreciate the link thanks again.

Cool, new forums since I was here last - looks good :)

I just wanted to send you all an update on this case. So my father-in-law finally got his day in court for these two charges. We had to send 5 requests for disclosure before we got any response, and when the prosecutors office did finally respond, they gave us disclosure 3 days before the ...

If I were in your shoes, I'd discuss the interaction with the tow company at the impound lot first. The main thing is, they should not be doing any towing for the police. That's for starters. The tow company and impound lot are owned by the same guy. Its a tow truck driver that has his own impound lot. He has no office, no real phone number - the ...

Radar Identified: thanks for confirming my suspicions. Do you know where I can find out what the proper rates are for the tow and the days in the impound lot? I want to find out if he ripped off my father-in-law. He had no posted rates, no office, and the only way we were finally able to get him to let us pay by credit card was when he walked us ...

Thanks guys for those links and information - very helpful and we really appreciate it.

WOW!!!! - thats insane - this is why these laws should not be in place, it gives the officer too much power and that guy was infact writing bogus tickets - WOW - unreal! :evil:

Another interesting point I wanted to share with you guys was that when we went to ...

Thanks for your response
I wonder how S.172 will hold up if an officer was proven to have made an error? Not throwing stones, cops are human.
Yes that's my biggest issue with this whole 172 thing. Even if an officer makes a mistake as she did not once, but twice in this case, people (namely my father-in-law) are still made to suffer huge ...

Thanks again for the pointers guys. Couple of questions.

1) Where can I read information about the info you guys mention? Specifically about the case which determines if this "stunt driving law" is constitutional or not, and as well about the decision relating to proving you were not "stunt driving" to beat that charge?

2) How is it possible that ...

Thanks guys for all your posts really appreciate it.

FyreStorm: I asked him (my father-in-law) many times, are you "sure" you were going no more than 120, then asked him are you "positive" - each time he replied, "yes I am sure, yes I am positive, I know exactly how fast I was going". He wouldn't lie to me, he's got nothing to gain or loose. I ...