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- Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:00 pm
- Forum: Courts and Procedure
- Topic: What's wrong with the Provincial Offense Court system
- Replies: 5
- Views: 1928
What's wrong with the Provincial Offense Court system
Now I'm not against people in Law inforcement, and althought most of this may be obvious, there's no harm in having a discussion about it. The Ontario Justice system is purposely setup to generate revenue, and inconvenience citizens who want to dispute or make answer to a charge..which results in them, not willing to spend the time to prove their innocence (that is if they are..). The government has invested a lot of money in technology to grab cash from people, but have done nothing to help innocent people make full answer to any charge. You can pay all of your parking tickets, speeding ticke...
- Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:13 am
- Forum: Police Clothing and Equipment
- Topic: The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
- Replies: 20
- Views: 12022
Not to resurrect a thread, but my case was adjourned once already, now if I bring this issue up regarding the Crown not providing me with 1) a manual of the radar 2) proper eligible notes that make sense.. the officer seemed to use some sort of short form notes for everything he wrote down.. 3) calibration records for the radar to confirm it was certified for use at the time the charge was given. I also have in my defense that from the time my first disclosure package was ready, I did not receive any notification to pick it up, and that it was during the labour strike in Toronto which meant it...
- Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:10 am
- Forum: Police Clothing and Equipment
- Topic: The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
- Replies: 20
- Views: 12022
Thanks! That was what I was thinking.. I have a right to atleast see these documents, even if it's at the courthouse.
However when my court date comes, I'll make my argument that the crown has not notified me or given any notice regarding these documents which I requested in my disclosure letter (inadequate disclosure). Shall I print out copies of these (2) case law examples and refer the JP to them?
However when my court date comes, I'll make my argument that the crown has not notified me or given any notice regarding these documents which I requested in my disclosure letter (inadequate disclosure). Shall I print out copies of these (2) case law examples and refer the JP to them?
- Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:59 am
- Forum: Police Clothing and Equipment
- Topic: The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
- Replies: 20
- Views: 12022
- Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:27 pm
- Forum: Police Clothing and Equipment
- Topic: The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
- Replies: 20
- Views: 12022
Thanks for the explanation 
I'd like to use this argument in court, however since I don't have any official documentation stating that this particular radar.. when in POP mode, the constable cannot issue a speeding ticket to anyone.
How should I go about that? I've even gone as far as requesting a copy of the operating manual from the Manufacture of the Radar Gun, but they simply told me the price that I'd have to pay to obtain a copy of it, about $300.

I'd like to use this argument in court, however since I don't have any official documentation stating that this particular radar.. when in POP mode, the constable cannot issue a speeding ticket to anyone.
How should I go about that? I've even gone as far as requesting a copy of the operating manual from the Manufacture of the Radar Gun, but they simply told me the price that I'd have to pay to obtain a copy of it, about $300.
- Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:45 pm
- Forum: Police Clothing and Equipment
- Topic: The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
- Replies: 20
- Views: 12022
Great website, thanks! I'll look into this.Bookm wrote:Visual observations conducted before and during the radar readings.KiX wrote:Please bare with me, but I still don't quite understand what tracking history is...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A591897
- Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:17 am
- Forum: Police Clothing and Equipment
- Topic: The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
- Replies: 20
- Views: 12022
Just checked the disclosure notes and it says "BEE III Radar System". So yes it is used, by Toronto Police atleast. The test times for the unit that the officer included in the notes are about an hour before and an hour after what's written on the ticket. No note about whether POP mode was used. Not sure if this would help.. Please bare with me, but I still don't quite understand what tracking history is because the manual states: "Mph doesn't recommend using the POP Mode exclusively because it excludes getting a proper "tracking history" taken in this mode" what ...
- Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:33 am
- Forum: Courts and Procedure
- Topic: Received Disclosure - Questions concerning next steps?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4885
Requests for disclosure would help your end, seeing that you acted to seek out the evidence against you.
If the camera caught the wrong carwas it a different make/color/sedan or coupe? If it's clear in the photo they sent you that it doesn't match your plates, I think you could just bring in your ownership which states the color, type, make, etc.
If the camera caught the wrong carwas it a different make/color/sedan or coupe? If it's clear in the photo they sent you that it doesn't match your plates, I think you could just bring in your ownership which states the color, type, make, etc.
- Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:18 am
- Forum: Police Clothing and Equipment
- Topic: The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
- Replies: 20
- Views: 12022
- Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:58 am
- Forum: Police Clothing and Equipment
- Topic: The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
- Replies: 20
- Views: 12022
I think the officer will know full well that the POP mode does not provide a tracking history.. it's stated in the manual (which they have responded to my request for one in my disclosure) This may sound a bit daft, but what is a tracking history? I'd like to gain a better understanding of this if I'm going to use this in my defence. Also.. I noticed in the officer's notes that he had (2) BEE III camera's, one facing forward and one facing the rear of the car. Would this bring into question the accuracy of the units? possible interference between the units? Thanks for the feedback I appreciate...
- Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:58 pm
- Forum: Police Clothing and Equipment
- Topic: The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
- Replies: 20
- Views: 12022
The MPH Bee III radar gun's POP mode
I did some investigating on this unit and found some info regarding the MPH Bee III unit. "Mph doesn't recommend using the POP Mode exclusively because it excludes getting a proper "tracking history" taken in this mode" So if I get pulled over by an officer who used POP mode to tag me, can the crown/officer cannot use the radar evidence against me? His disclosure notes do not say anything about whether he used POP mode or not. Does the officer have to provide evidence of a proper tracking history? I'm still trying to get the manual from the crown to confirm this. Any input?
- Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:03 pm
- Forum: Courts and Procedure
- Topic: Disclosure, change court date
- Replies: 31
- Views: 16327
I think the rule says that disclosure is not to be mailed. You must pick it up. I agree, I did what ticketcombat and other sources recommended, to not put my number on the disclosure request. In court, the crown and I talked about the disclosure (how I did not receive any), and he agreed to adjourn my case. When I was called up the crown already asked the JP for an adjourment, the JP asked why and I mentioned I did not receive disclosure. The crown said disclosure was ready 2 weeks prior to the court date and I did not pick it up, I argued that my mailing address was on the disclosure request...
- Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:38 pm
- Forum: Exceeding the speed limit by 16 to 29 km/h
- Topic: Over 24 at 60 Limit at Steel/Islington Toronto
- Replies: 5
- Views: 2819
Um.. I just received my Disclosure in the mail after offering no phone number on my registered mailing or backup fax. I got a lazy prosecutor than :p If you get disclosure in the mail, great. If you don't and show up in court letting the crown know you haven't received it, he can just give it to you right before court. Argue there is not enough time to prepare your defense and adjourn your case to a later date. I tried to point out that the prosecution did not make any effort in notifying me that disclosure was ready, but the JP said I was still responsible.. which I find pretty stupid.. seei...
- Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:08 am
- Forum: Exceeding the speed limit by 16 to 29 km/h
- Topic: Over 24 at 60 Limit at Steel/Islington Toronto
- Replies: 5
- Views: 2819
This may be too late, but for anyone else whose reading. I mailed my disclosure request via registered mail to the Crown 5 weeks before my trial, and my disclosure was ready 2 weeks before the trial. The Crown will not make any attempt in notifying you of this if you do not have a contact number on it. You have to pick it up yourself. When my case was called up, I argued that if the crown had my mailing address on my disclosure request why couldn't they mail me a notice or letter asking for my phone number? the JP wans't on my side and said I am responsible for picking it up.. which I find pre...
- Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:13 am
- Forum: Exceeding the speed limit by 16 to 29 km/h
- Topic: Speeding 60 in a 40 km/h zone, Court date rescheduled
- Replies: 8
- Views: 3155
Thanks for your input everyone. I really appreciate it and take your advise into preparing my defense! But when I'm infront of the JP, I don't want to sound like I'm trying to use strategy after strategy to try and get the ticket off should I? I'll try using the 11B Argument first, and if that doesn't work than I pull out an improper disclosure argument? Would that piss the JP off or make it seem like I'm trying everything I can just to get off the ticket, or is this how the proceedings normally are? I've only been to court once and I did not see anyone do such thing.. everyone pleaded guilty ...