jsherk wrote:My personal opinion is that you need to use the shotgun approach when fighting a ticket, because if you are relying on only one thing, then there is a good chance that they will have answer and you are done. With the shotgun approach, they need an answer for each point you bring up AND it gives a greater chance for the JP to make a mistake AND it gives you more ammunition for an appeal if you lose at trial.

argyll wrote:Whereas the judge will not. Scattergun approaches by self representing defendants just piss them off and you might see the effect on sentence. It won't be much but you have to ask yourself why the professional lawyers don't use the same tactic if it is so successful.

fisherman7351 wrote:I pay more to see asport game
I will have a good time with a prosecutor and judge play Judge Judy with me

jsherk wrote:Democracy is using the rights that were giving to you such as the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty and the right to a fair trial by an impratial person. This means it is well within your rights to take every single charge, no matter how small or minor, to court and have them prove you are are guilty, regardless of whether you think you are guilty or not. You are innocent until they prove otherwise. Make them work for it!

highwaystar wrote:

fisherman7351 wrote:I pay more to see asport game
I will have a good time with a prosecutor and judge play Judge Judy with me

Good for you! Per-diem prosecutors love people like you who just want to go to court even when they have very little chance of winning because the per-diem gets paid by the hour (at a very good hourly rate too!).

So, knock yourself out. Take time out of your work day (if you work), spend money on parking, waste a few hours sitting in court and preparing for your case, and then go argue your case in court. You'll definitely learn quite a bit, especially the difference between set fines and statutory fines; not to mention the proper rules of evidence. In your case, the prosecutor could ask for up to $500 (the statutory max for the offence). Given that they have video of you not stopping AND its an absolute liability offence (with no due diligence defense), you're really gonna make a per-diem prosecutor's day. Its easy money for them.

While there are cheaper ways to learn things, its your money. The system needs people like you. So, have fun learning and spending your money.

fisherman7351 wrote:...
I don't see why you say what you said here. Are you trying to scare me to plea guilty????
I really don't need your bull ****

fisherman7351 wrote: Satutory fine ???? What kind of bull*** is that??? If I lose the case, I pay whatever on the ticket. Unless the judge want to risk his cosy job, I dare him to increase the set fine... What make you think that they can increase the fine because I fought them too hard?? I have the right to defend myself.

fisherman7351 wrote: I have filed 11b challenge and hand delivered them to Ag Canada, Ontario, Prosecutor and Court all in one day.

highwaystar wrote:

fisherman7351 wrote:...
I don't see why you say what you said here. Are you trying to scare me to plea guilty????
I really don't need your bull ****

Its not bull **** if its true. Don't be so sensitive.

fisherman7351 wrote: Satutory fine ???? What kind of bull*** is that??? If I lose the case, I pay whatever on the ticket. Unless the judge want to risk his cosy job, I dare him to increase the set fine... What make you think that they can increase the fine because I fought them too hard?? I have the right to defend myself.

Clearly, you have no concept of how the fine system works. Statutory fines apply the moment you go in to court. In your case, section 214 applies. That means, a minimum of $60 (which almost never happens with that charge!) to a maximum of $500. Generally, you can expect between $200-400 (depending on several factors).

I only wish I could be in attendance to see you DARE the JP to increase the fine beyond the set fine. Clearly, you haven't read case law. The set fine is simply NOT applicable and it is an error of law for a JP to just 'rubber stamp' and order the set fine. They certainly CAN order an amount equivalent to the set fine (but that's simply because its within the statutory range). The trend lately is to order a higher fine.

fisherman7351 wrote: I have filed 11b challenge and hand delivered them to Ag Canada, Ontario, Prosecutor and Court all in one day.

Good for you. Hopefully you'll learn a lot about the system from going through the effort of doing a Charter application. I hope you 'perfected' your application so that it is actually heard by the court. Of course, I suspect you also haven't read the latest Supreme Court decision on 11b delays in courts (I'd cite the decision for you but I don't want to scare you any further!). A 10 month delay will simply be laughed at by the court. So, good luck with your application!

So, in conclusion, you've clearly shown your ignorance in law thus far and even more so towards those trying to steer you in the right direction. I therefore suspect that unless the case has a serious evidentiary flaw, you'll be outplayed very quickly by any experienced prosecutor! There ARE ways to attack these cases (and case law) to back it up. But, given that you don't want any bull ****, scare easy, and seem to think you know it all----I'll refrain from offering any more suggestions. I've already taught you about 11B delays, statutory fines, AND by-law requirements. That's enough education for one case!