Got a speeding ticket earlier this year on 401W where the officer claimed I was going 137km/h and knocked it down to a 129km/h offence. I had cruise control set to a lower speed, so I decided to see what they had on me. There are no fatal flaws on the face of the ticket, and officer's notes are as follows:
[car colour] [car make]
401 WB Approaching
137 Uphill L2 to 1
No Loss of Sight
ID Val DL as RO
[list of car's occupants]
[passenger's relationship to driver]
Told reason for stop
Acknowledged by nodding
[driver occupation details]
Specifically, I'd like to know what "50m NL/G At 137" means and what 1060 is code for. I requested typed officer notes (they complied) as well as an explanation of short forms (they didn't comply, not sure if they're required to or not).
What's also interesting is the officer noted what are seemingly innocuous questions (he asked what my occupation was, as well as what the passenger's relation to me was). I'm assuming this is to assist with his recollection of the events of that night should I decide to fight the ticket. Pretty smart.
I wonder if it's advisable not to even release that information when asked the next time I'm stopped. I don't believe it's relevant to the nature of the traffic stop so it doesn't require an answer, right?
Any advice would be appreciated.
YouÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢re under no obligation to answer those questions. By law you really only need to identify yourself and provide the required documentation (licence, ownership, insurance, etc.). IÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢d disagree however that it strengthens the officerÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢s recollection or benefits him at trial. Those details arenÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢t relevant to the offence nor would the officer be expect to know such information if asked.warmwinters wrote:I wonder if it's advisable not to even release that information when asked the next time I'm stopped. I don't believe it's relevant to the nature of the traffic stop so it doesn't require an answer, right?
ItÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢s a bit of catch-22 situation. You donÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢t want to volunteer any information that would incriminate yourself (i.e. admitting you were speeding) but if the officer feels youÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢re being uncooperative theyÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢re less likely to use any discretion.
The objective is to deter drivers from speeding, sometimes a warning is sufficient especially for out-of-town drivers who're using mph speedometers... and absolutely dumbfounded that nobody is doing 60mph. But local people should generally know the OPP's +/- allowances better, and the appropriate deterrent would be a ticket.
I would submit another disclosure at the prosecutor's office requesting the officer to explain the short-form writing in his notes.