http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_32699.aspx reports: Police are pointing to speed as a major factor in a fatal crash on Allen Road Saturday morning. Crews got the call just before 5am when a TTC driver noticed debris strewn across the southbound lanes near Sheppard, though that's not where the accident actually started. Investigators say the driver of a blue Volvo was heading north when he lost control of his vehicle, crossing the southbound lanes, barrelling through Transit Road on the west side and rolling up an embankment. "The amount of distance that vehicle covered, the way [it] rolled and where it ended up...there was considerable speed involved," noted Sgt. Tim Burrows of the Toronto Police. A 23-year-old male was pronounced at the scene. His next-of-kin has requested that his name not be released. Traffic Services closed the Allen northbound at Wilson Heights and southbound at Sheppard for a few hours while they put together a reconstruction. Do you think that more than simple speed was involved in the crash?
Police are pointing to speed as a major factor in a fatal crash on Allen Road Saturday morning.
Crews got the call just before 5am when a TTC driver noticed debris strewn across the southbound lanes near Sheppard, though that's not where the accident actually started.
Investigators say the driver of a blue Volvo was heading north when he lost control of his vehicle, crossing the southbound lanes, barrelling through Transit Road on the west side and rolling up an embankment.
"The amount of distance that vehicle covered, the way [it] rolled and where it ended up...there was considerable speed involved," noted Sgt. Tim Burrows of the Toronto Police.
A 23-year-old male was pronounced at the scene. His next-of-kin has requested that his name not be released.
Traffic Services closed the Allen northbound at Wilson Heights and southbound at Sheppard for a few hours while they put together a reconstruction.
Do you think that more than simple speed was involved in the crash?
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"
Lack of driver skill and/or mechanical failure. It could also be argued that a lack of driver skill resulted in a speed too fast for the road. It seems to me like it would take a huge amount of momentum to cross oncoming lanes and then roll up an embankment, leaving a trail of debris.
racer wrote:
Do you think that more than simple speed was involved in the crash?
Lack of driver skill and/or mechanical failure. It could also be argued that a lack of driver skill resulted in a speed too fast for the road.
It seems to me like it would take a huge amount of momentum to cross oncoming lanes and then roll up an embankment, leaving a trail of debris.
DUI is what I was thinking. But the cops will likely attribute it to speed, not take the blood sample, and try to spin it to support the 172 charade. My point - if there is no blood test, don't even mention it in defence of stunt/racing legislations. Newspapers are great at spreading information and misinformation, even if meant well.
DUI is what I was thinking. But the cops will likely attribute it to speed, not take the blood sample, and try to spin it to support the 172 charade. My point - if there is no blood test, don't even mention it in defence of stunt/racing legislations. Newspapers are great at spreading information and misinformation, even if meant well.
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"
This guy really covered a lot of mileage. Either he was so drunk he didn't realize that he was going off the road, or he must've been going well over 200 km/h. Or both. Allen Road where the crash occurred is separated by an extremely wide, hilly median, so it would've taken a lot of speed to go across it without stopping, not to mention crossing the four oncoming lanes of Allen Road. Then, he had to go across another fairly wide grass strip, go across Transit Boulevard (two lanes wide there), go up a steep hill and smash into a tree with enough force to kill him, in a Volvo. Maybe he wasn't wearing his seat belt, but even if that's the case, he still covered at least 300 metres during the whole event and totalled the car on impact with the tree.
This guy really covered a lot of mileage. Either he was so drunk he didn't realize that he was going off the road, or he must've been going well over 200 km/h. Or both.
Allen Road where the crash occurred is separated by an extremely wide, hilly median, so it would've taken a lot of speed to go across it without stopping, not to mention crossing the four oncoming lanes of Allen Road. Then, he had to go across another fairly wide grass strip, go across Transit Boulevard (two lanes wide there), go up a steep hill and smash into a tree with enough force to kill him, in a Volvo. Maybe he wasn't wearing his seat belt, but even if that's the case, he still covered at least 300 metres during the whole event and totalled the car on impact with the tree.
If I read this correctly it is a single vehicle, with one driver, no passengers. Police will not do a blood test. It will be up to the coroner IF an autopsy is done, if that happens the coroner checks for anything medical, which includes alcohol, drugs, pre-existing health conditions etc.. and then determines cause of death
If I read this correctly it is a single vehicle, with one driver, no passengers. Police will not do a blood test. It will be up to the coroner IF an autopsy is done, if that happens the coroner checks for anything medical, which includes alcohol, drugs, pre-existing health conditions etc.. and then determines cause of death
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
So, if the coroner determines that the crash had been the cause of death, then there will be no further testing, as to find out what had caused the crash?
So, if the coroner determines that the crash had been the cause of death, then there will be no further testing, as to find out what had caused the crash?
"The more laws, the less justice" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"The hardest thing to explain is the obvious"
As for the one on allen. I think speed limits are a bit to high or right in the city. In the city you have traffic lights, pedestrians, buses, people darting out infront, stop signs, cars going all which ways. Speeding in the city is really stupid. Infact i think downtown 50 or 60 is fast. There is so many things to pay attention to. This guy could have encountered something at the last second and had to slow down. While i think speed is a big deal on city streets i think its a different story on the 401 at 3 am with no one else on the road. I find it quite fast and challenging to drive 60 on downtown city streets. I watched the video it was not clear what happened on the gardner. As to that is the Gardner OPP territory or TPS territory?
As for the one on allen.
I think speed limits are a bit to high or right in the city.
In the city you have traffic lights, pedestrians, buses, people darting out infront, stop signs, cars going all which ways.
Speeding in the city is really stupid.
Infact i think downtown 50 or 60 is fast. There is so many things to pay attention to. This guy could have encountered something at the last second and had to slow down.
While i think speed is a big deal on city streets i think its a different story on the 401 at 3 am with no one else on the road.
I find it quite fast and challenging to drive 60 on downtown city streets.
I watched the video it was not clear what happened on the gardner.
As to that is the Gardner OPP territory or TPS territory?
At the point where the crash occurred, Allen is a controlled-access multi-lane divided highway, speed limit 80 km/h. A little ways north of there it starts to become a regular surface street. The Gardiner Expressway, like the Don Valley Parkway, is patrolled by the Toronto Police.
At the point where the crash occurred, Allen is a controlled-access multi-lane divided highway, speed limit 80 km/h. A little ways north of there it starts to become a regular surface street.
The Gardiner Expressway, like the Don Valley Parkway, is patrolled by the Toronto Police.
No, the coroner will have a complete report. (previous medical conditions, previous medical treatments (ie surgeries), any intoxicants in body, current medication and the cause of the death)
racer wrote:
So, if the coroner determines that the crash had been the cause of death, then there will be no further testing, as to find out what had caused the crash?
No, the coroner will have a complete report. (previous medical conditions, previous medical treatments (ie surgeries), any intoxicants in body, current medication and the cause of the death)
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
Here's what I think happened: The Volvo was pegged to the speed limit (as all Volvo's are). A grumpy old redneck was about to go by him in the other lane, when, because the Volvo guy was very tired, he wandered over into the other guys lane just a bit. This infuriated the pickup driver and he decide to ride just inches off his bumper to teach him some kind of lesson. The Volvo guy decided to "matt it" and put some distance on the huge truck. But the truck driver floored it too. The Volvo guy knew there was a turn ahead and wanted to slow, but the other driver was right behind him. Just then, a stray dog jumped off the curb and startled the Volvo driver just enough to make him twitch the wheel. He started to lose it, and, lacking experience with high speed maneuvers, clipped the curb and tumbled out of control. The pickup driver got the heck out of there and the dog continued on his way... Either that, or the driver fell asleep with his foot now heavy on the gas... My point? When KNOW ONE KNOWS, why must the police issue the "speed was a factor" statement all the time?
Here's what I think happened:
The Volvo was pegged to the speed limit (as all Volvo's are). A grumpy old redneck was about to go by him in the other lane, when, because the Volvo guy was very tired, he wandered over into the other guys lane just a bit. This infuriated the pickup driver and he decide to ride just inches off his bumper to teach him some kind of lesson. The Volvo guy decided to "matt it" and put some distance on the huge truck. But the truck driver floored it too. The Volvo guy knew there was a turn ahead and wanted to slow, but the other driver was right behind him. Just then, a stray dog jumped off the curb and startled the Volvo driver just enough to make him twitch the wheel. He started to lose it, and, lacking experience with high speed maneuvers, clipped the curb and tumbled out of control. The pickup driver got the heck out of there and the dog continued on his way...
Either that, or the driver fell asleep with his foot now heavy on the gas...
My point? When KNOW ONE KNOWS, why must the police issue the "speed was a factor" statement all the time?
Even in your scenario, speed was a factor. Not necessarily the factor, but still a factor. (The factor, arguably, would be a sudden lack of speed) Besides, people who speed up from being tailgated have a poor understanding of physics. Even a big honkin' pickup can't push you using air. :lol:
Even in your scenario, speed was a factor. Not necessarily the factor, but still a factor. (The factor, arguably, would be a sudden lack of speed)
Besides, people who speed up from being tailgated have a poor understanding of physics. Even a big honkin' pickup can't push you using air.
Of course Speed was a factor. But the simplistic way it is reported by the police leaves folks nodding and mumbling under their breath, "Darn speeders". And then it will get added to the police statistics as a speed-related wreck which will then result in heavier fines and crazy new legislation. My scenarios above are only two of thousands of possibilities.
Of course Speed was a factor. But the simplistic way it is reported by the police leaves folks nodding and mumbling under their breath, "Darn speeders". And then it will get added to the police statistics as a speed-related wreck which will then result in heavier fines and crazy new legislation.
My scenarios above are only two of thousands of possibilities.
Keep that up and you will be on AMW replacing John Walsh.....or on the "Jerry Springer Show" telling the world how your "hand modeling" has broken up the next door neighbours wife's brother's son's aunt as she is now cheating on her husband with the neighbour :wink: :lol: :lol:
Bookm wrote:
Here's what I think happened:
The Volvo was pegged to the speed limit (as all Volvo's are). A grumpy old redneck was about to go by him in the other lane, when, because the Volvo guy was very tired, he wandered over into the other guys lane just a bit. This infuriated the pickup driver and he decide to ride just inches off his bumper to teach him some kind of lesson. The Volvo guy decided to "matt it" and put some distance on the huge truck. But the truck driver floored it too. The Volvo guy knew there was a turn ahead and wanted to slow, but the other driver was right behind him. Just then, a stray dog jumped off the curb and startled the Volvo driver just enough to make him twitch the wheel. He started to lose it, and, lacking experience with high speed maneuvers, clipped the curb and tumbled out of control. The pickup driver got the heck out of there and the dog continued on his way...
Keep that up and you will be on AMW replacing John Walsh.....or on the "Jerry Springer Show" telling the world how your "hand modeling" has broken up the next door neighbours wife's brother's son's aunt as she is now cheating on her husband with the neighbour
Above is merely a suggestion/thought and in no way constitutes legal advice or views of my employer. www.OHTA.ca
Hi so I have a bizzare situation. Today I received a summons for "being the owner of a motor vehicle bearing Vehicle Identification Number ###, failed to submit the vehicle, equipment or drawn vehicle for inspection or tests as required by an officer" for a vehicle I previously owned. Apparently a violation of HTA 82(9).
The date of offense is June 15, the summons was issued on October 26th and I…
Hi, I need some help for the ticket of lmproper left turn.
When i drove my car from east to west, intending to make a left turn and stop in front of stop line. There was a car in front of me, which has turn on yellow light. The light was turning red and then I thought I cannot leave in the intersection and turned, an incoming car was runing the light and hit me. No one got hurt but both cars had…
Have a ticket in which the radar used was a Genesis VP Directional. I had downloaded the manual for a Genesis VP but I now realize that the unit is not the same so it is the wrong manual. My trial is very soon so I do not have time to ask for disclosure of the manual.
Does anyone have access to an electronic version of the manual for Genesis VP Directional?
I was pulled over today in the city of Oakville for going 75 in a 40 zone. However, I am 100 percent certain that I was going only 50 in the 40 zone. When I was pulled over, I was driving my Dad's car which I felt was the reason I was getting stopped since two teenagers driving a 2013 S Class. He asked does I know why I am being pulled over and I…
I really need help on fighting my 9 tickets i received from one police officer. Here is some background of what happened!
I was caught speeding 66km on a 40km (school zone) on January 29, 2010. I was driving my friend's car and turns out she didnt renew the validation on the vehicle and didnt leave the up to date insurance paper on the car.
Hey question that I think here's probably the best place to get the answer:
I was charged with a careless driving offence in oct, trail in early april, so as of right now my insurance record is 100% clean... except the officer did file an accident report at the scene where I was classified at fault due to it being PI (although very minor). The person I hit did not sue etc, so the insurance company…
Very much unintentionally passed a stopped bus, with sign and flashing lights. Didn't realize I had done it until I was at the end of the bus. I'll save you my sob story, but it was truly accidental. I'm generally very cautious and have a perfect driving record. Never been stopped.
While I realize if a cop had seen me that I would have gotten a ticket, there were none in sight. Though I may very…
I was recently pulled over for running a red and I wasnt able to find my wallet in the car at the time to hand over my license. I had a passport in the vehicle that he used. The wallet was in the vehicle, it just fell through the seats. (Tough to find a black leather wallet in a black/black leather truck at night).
The officer still wrote the tickets for both he signed the one ticket (failure to…
I was passing a vehicle that was going slow for me and there was an oncoming vehicle coming at me. I speed up to get around the person I was passing and the oncoming vehicle turns out to be a cop who turns around and tickets me for going 110km in a 80km zone. How does it work with passing a vehicle? Once I passed the vehicle I went back down to my original speed of just under 100. The officer…
I picked up a brand new (old stock) Fuzzbuster a while ago at auction (wopping $5!!) and I want to mount it on the dash of my old GTO as a cool accessory when I show it at car shows. But I'm not sure if it's legal or not.
Here's my thoughts:
- It is early 70's technology (x-band) so it won't detect modern police radar. That's assuming no police force uses the old x-band frequency.
Hi guys, I'm still a little in shock of getting my first traffic ticket...
On Monday afternoon, I was returning from Toronto to Ottawa on HW416, I was driving about 15 over 100 like always. Then a car came very close to me on the left lane and made me nervous, I speed up unintentionally to pass the car and change lane, but while doing that a police car pull out of the median. He was hiding in…
May i ask this question regarding transport trucks limited to 105 km/h. Moving road blocks or safety?
IMO it isnt speed that kills. I find transport trucks infact help keep the road going. With cars that choose to not move to the right and slow down the middle lane the trucks would try to pass in their passing lane therefore the slower traffic would move right.
Received a notice from the police that a motion is being put forward to adjourn upcoming trial date. Notice indicates that an officer has sworn an affidavit that the crucial witness cannot attend date trial is set for (we know there is a social engagement at 7:30 pm for the witness, trial time is 1:30 pm). This further delay is a big problem to my daughter's case. She is moving away to…
This is what happened. I was travelling west on a four lane city street that was very light with traffic. I was making a left hand turn into a wide driveway of a business. There was traffic lights about 100 yards past the driveway and were red for the east-west traffic. I was in the left lane with my signal on and there was no oncoming traffic due to the red light. I was slowed right down…
I was driving my families older car and got pulled over, and the police officer informed me my plate was dirty. He issued me a ticket of $110 for the 13(2) act and obstruct plate as the offense. He informed me that such a plate could be used to avoid red lights as well as 407 tolls, also that buying a new plate can help to lower the ticket if I fight the charge, and that he also took a picture…
I received a red light camera ticket. In the picture, you see an ambulance in front of me with flashing lights. I had moved to alleviate the traffic behind me for the emergency vehicles coming behind it.
Is this a possible defense, if so, does anyone know any good case law to justify this position?
what happens if they charge someone for driving at 151Km/hr in montreal and they put for trial, appear after some months and sadly lost the trial ?
In montreal its $300 fine and 5demerit points ...
I heard Ontario and Qubec share the information. So once the trial is over ( and when the file moved to ontario) will his car gets towed and licence get suspended for 7days (later to 30 days ) ? and he…
I got a notice in the mail that trial is set four weeks from today, so it's time to request disclosure. I have zero chance of getting an 11b since trial is less than two months after the offense date and the officer did not reduce the charge. I really want to try and create delays on the trial, to reduce the chance of the officer showing up on multiple occasions. Is there any known loop-holes…
This weekend my father was involved in an accident with a transit bus in Burlington, ON. After the police showed up he was charged with "Fail to obey stop sign" Sec. 136(1)(a). At this particular intersection there NO stop signs but there are traffic lights. There is construction going on there so one of the light posts is smaller.
Driving conditions were terribly wet and visibility was low.…
So my boyfriend and I recently started dating. I have a vehicle that was insured. Insurance cost too much and I found it was just as easy to walk to work due to how close it was. But I didn't want to get rid of my car just yet, plus I'm still making payments on it as well. When we moved into our appartment together, I had it towed to my parking spot out back.
I was making a left hand legal turn on a green light, a driver came through the lane I was supposed to be going into ran the red and hit me head on as I was turning into my lane. When the officer came he was telling me that I was racing and driving recklessly because apparently there was reports of street racing in the area. I was not charged on the scene for this but I'm scared i am going to be…
I got a ticket for failure to surrender insurance because I did not have my new insurance stubs with me, just a bunch of expired ones. My policy number has not changed, so I asked the officer to just run the policy number so I could prove that I was in fact insured. He said they don't have that ability, handed me the ticket and reminded me that my car could have been impounded.
So I'm in a bit of a pickle and would appreciate if someone could clarify something for me.
I'm less than a month away (test on April 6th) from getting my full G license, and got a speeding ticket recently. The ticket was for 49km/h over the posted limit of 100km/h on the 403 in Oakville/Halton region, but was reduced from the initial ~60km/h over.
