Hope someone can help. She was ticketed under HTA 32 (1) with the offense shown as
"Drive Motor Vehicle no license"
Can anyone tell me if this is worth the effort to get a reduction in the amount of fine? Is it proper that she was charged with NO license instead of an "expired" license?
Thanks for your help on this.
A little blessing in it all.....I have yet to hear of an insurance company covering any costs of a collision for a driver with an expired licence as they don't have a licence to drive. I have seen coverage if you are hit by an unlicenced driver.
Now let's get back to the real world ....What I was hoping for was an unbiased opinion .... I already have the cop's point of view on the ticket .... I don't need another photocopy. ...
Anyone ( non-cop) opinion pls
Your wife should have kept her licence up to date even though she did not receive the renewal notice. Yes, it's inconvenient, but driving without a licence for four months is overdoing it.
With that being said, you need to check with your insurance company whether they consider this particular ticket a "major" or a "minor". If it's considered a "major" I'd take any plea deal that the Crown would have to offer. If it's considered a "minor", you have 3 options..
1) Pay up and take the conviction
2) Take it to court and beg for a lower fine and easier payment terms (blame it on the economy )
3) Take it to court and go for broke.. Here's an excellent "cookbook" http://www.ticketcombat.com/
If neither of you is comfortable with going to court, you can always hire a reputable paralegal firm. Based on my previous experiences, I recommend Redline. They are a bit pricier than most, but they won't take a plea if it's not in your interest (which most paralegal firms would do).
It is one of the few B&W offences in the HTA.
and couple other things that might come to mind...
1) If police would let the person continue without a licence and then for some reason there is a collision....I certainly don't want to be on the end of a civil suit for knowingly letting an unlicensed driver continue to drive.
2) Everyone on the road needs valid licence plates and licence and all people pay for same, how would it be fair to those in compliance if police just let those that don't comply (knowingly or not) go down the road.
Besides as many on this forum can attest, I do not chatise people on here. I try to bring a perspective from the other side which 99% of people do not know at all.
Absolutely. And as I said before, your input is very much appreciated, and you've been on this forum much longer than I have.hwybear wrote:Besides as many on this forum can attest, I do not chatise people on here. I try to bring a perspective from the other side which 99% of people do not know at all.
Now for the charge... this one is very difficult to beat. Even a paralegal couldn't do much. I believe this is an absolute liability offence, meaning that the only thing that matters is whether or not you committed the act. Unless the ticket has a fatal error or the cop does not show up for trial, it's going to be almost impossible to beat. Given that, unless the ticket has a glaring error, you should try to talk to the Prosecutor before the trial and see if you can get a plea bargain out of it. You might be able to plead it down to something less, or possibly, as Firestart said, ask for a reduced fine in court if that fails. Hoping the officer doesn't show is not a worthwhile strategy anymore, as the Prosecutors are now scheduling trials based on the availability of the officers. Usually Prosecutors are receptive to plea bargains. Good luck with it.
Like to thank you RI and FiReSTaRT. I have just over 700 posts....I`m sure if I was an @$$ or overly biased I would have gotten the boot a long time ago, with a don't let the door hit you on the way out thing. I have seen other forums (BookM, Reflections know some) that go on personal attacks all the time, not only on police, but civilians as well. This site is very educational and fun and needs to stay this way.....now where did my mocha goRadar Identified wrote:Absolutely. And as I said before, your input is very much appreciated, and you've been on this forum much longer than I have..hwybear wrote:Besides as many on this forum can attest, I do not chatise people on here. I try to bring a perspective from the other side which 99% of people do not know at all.
And I totally agree! Hwybear is an asset to this site, and will always be respected.hwybear wrote: Like to thank you RI and FiReSTaRT. I have just over 700 posts....I`m sure if I was an @$$ or overly biased I would have gotten the boot a long time ago, with a don't let the door hit you on the way out thing. I have seen other forums (BookM, Reflections know some) that go on personal attacks all the time, not only on police, but civilians as well. This site is very educational and fun and needs to stay this way.....now where did my mocha go
And this site will always remain the way described by hwybear!
I think we should actually thank hwybear for being part of our community! As his posts and opinion are always valuable.
Also, to the original poster, you should use this advice, as you are getting unbiased advice for FREE!
And don't get mad when ppl tell you these things, becuz driving for 4 months without a license is not the norm, and is not an accepted practice not only by the law, but by the citizens who share the same road with you too!
In the end, we are just here to help you out.
Agreed! And I know of the site that you speak of... but if it's any consolation, the forum that pertains to my line of work is a lot worse. Or was until very recently.hwybear wrote:This site is very educational and fun and needs to stay this way.....
Anyway, this site is entertaining and informative, above all civilized, and it should stay that way. I know I've learned a lot from visiting here regularly.
If I had known more cops like Bear and with his attitude, I probably would have joined the service right out of high school.
When you go to court, if he shows up. Play stupid, and tell the JP, you thought it had to go to court to Plea, Guilty with an explanation. Then ask for forgiveness, lower my fine please.
I enjoy him on the site. I am always interested to hear the perspective of the officer. His posts are very informative.
I have came to have alot more respect for Highway police and the OPP in general (except Fantino) from reading alot of hwybear's posts.
Maybee if the rest of the public knew what we do people would respect highway police alot more.
This site is educational, officers and drivers learn from the topics and the posts. I wouldn't call anyone an ass but it is perfectly fine to disagree without losing your cool or taking it to far.
Half the reason i love this forum is because of him. I wouldn't frequent this site as much if it weren't for him. I do like to hear a HSD perspective and he provides us with ton's of info on laws, policies, equipment/ strategies police use, etc!
Some of us may not like 172, lidar, or boston cream doughnuts, but that is no reason to hate police or think they are all the same. (well i don't like doughnuts so i hope hwybear doesnt hate me )
Boy oh boy i bet the whole detachment couldn't wait to impound one of those .
I bet they would detain and impound the whole truck and everything inside the trailer to!
Officer of the month!
After all it is a stunt to drive a truck full of doughnuts under a lonely over pass at night with a tired and bored officer.
Or all those late night " routine inspections he must do on those poor trucks" i bet everyone of them requires them to unhitch the lock on the back of the trailer:P.
Hey sometimes those trucks dont have all their wheels on the ground to. Impound the trailer?