When I got pull over, I cannot find my permit and insurance paper which I got another 2 tickets for.
But when I got home, I found that my wife put the permit and insurance paper inside her sun glass case (in the car) which I had not search.
I decided I will pea not guilty on these 2 cases.
I know the first ticket will be hard for me to fight even I just move to area.
But since I am going to the court anyway. Should I pea not guilty to the disobey sign too?
Were you charged with failure to surrender the permit and the insurance? If so, going in and saying "but I had them in the car" is not good enough; you need to give them to the officer when you are stopped. There is a chance the Prosecutor may withdraw one of the charges, but that all depends on how generous the Prosecutor is feeling that day.jetpack wrote:But when I got home, I found that my wife put the permit and insurance paper inside her sun glass case (in the car)
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But should still try and hope for the best.
Is it best for me to just pea guilty on the "disobey sign" ticket then?
Once you get the notes, then you can decide better how to proceed.
Probably you could do this:
Ask for a meeting with prosecutor before the trial date.
Take your insurance and registration with you to the meeting.
Do NOT tell them you are going to plead guilty to the disobey sign charge. Do not even mention this charge. I say again, do not even mention this charge.
Start with your sob story about the insurance and registration being in your wife's sun glasses case and show the prosecutor that you have them both and they are valid and that they were also valid at the time you were pulled over.
Maybe, if the prosecutor is in a good mood, they might (no guarantees) offer you some kind of plea deal like "plead guilty to disobey and I will drop the other two".
Sometimes prosecutors are more likely to drop the "paperwork" charges if you plead to the real charge.
Again, no guarantees, but that is what I would do!
Really? It's not like the prosecutor doesn't know about it...The prosecutor will be looking at the total package, they know that charge exists, you can't hide it...Your driving record will likely determine what kind of deal you will get. Disobey sign is 2 points, the other two are no points. Perhaps take a stab at pleading guilty to the two paper charges and dropping the disobey sign.
I am just saying don't walk in the door and say "I am going to plead guilty to this one. What about these two?"
screeech wrote:Like I said, take a stab at pleading to the 2 paper charges and withdraw the big one...ya don't shoot, ya don't score...
Agreed with argyll.argyll wrote:And I certainly wouldn't take the 2 paper tickets over the moving violation ticket. Points mean nothing unless you are a habitual offender - it's all about the insurance and I'd rather have 1 ticket than 2. They don't care what they are for.
All three of these fall under the minor conviction category with your insurance provider. They are assessed the same surcharge percentage. Your insurance provider may not charge you for the first conviction, but they'd certainly charge you for the second. If they charge you for the first, then the surcharge percentage increases (eg. 5% first offense, 10% second). So while 2 tickets are just "paper tickets" and the other is the "big one", they really aren't. To your insurance company, they are the same. In this case, it's certainly better to come out with one conviction rather than 2.