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Drive Motor Vehicle No Currently Validated Permit (is It A Moving Violation?)

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:10 pm
by eightfour

So I was driving my dad's secondary beater car and lo and behold he didn't update his sticker (over 1 month) and I got pulled over and received the ticket "drive motor vehicle no currently validated permit."


I got him to renew his sticker (get the e-test, you know the racket) and that was done within a few days of receiving the ticket, and have the receipts and proof.


Do you think if I present this stuff to the JP he/she might withdraw the ticket? Also is this considered a moving violation for insurance purposes? Would a conviction increase my insurance?


Have already met with prosecutor and the dude said he would reduce the fine by a measly $25. My position initially was withdrawal but he wouldn't do that so I requested the ticket be changed to a non-moving violation, and he said he already considers this ticket to be a non-moving violation (I don't think insurance does, don't know) and he couldn't think of any suitable non-moving violations off the top of his head. He said if I could come up with one that fits the circumstances I could get back to him, and maybe, possibly, work something out.


Should I take the matter to the JP?


Please help!!! :(


Re: Drive Motor Vehicle No Currently Validated Permit (is It A Moving Violation?)

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:19 pm
by eightfour

Also on the ticket it says I was stopped at 8:30 AM (which isn't the case it was night)


But in the disclosure it says "8:30PM stop, not AM."


edit: nevermind this is apparently a "non-fatal" error.


Re: Drive Motor Vehicle No Currently Validated Permit (is It A Moving Violation?)

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:36 pm
by eightfour

K so I called an insurance company anonymously to inquire and the individual said it results in a "minor conviction," and that indeed it will result in an insurance increase.


So I keep hearing that non-moving violations don't result in an increase but this doesn't appear to be true. Any excuse these jackals can get they will take apparently.


Now I'm wondering if the JP will take into consideration what I've detailed.


Re: Drive Motor Vehicle No Currently Validated Permit (is It A Moving Violation?)

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:15 pm
by Markus
eightfour wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:36 pm

K so I called an insurance company anonymously to inquire and the individual said it results in a "minor conviction," and that indeed it will result in an insurance increase.


So I keep hearing that non-moving violations don't result in an increase but this doesn't appear to be true. Any excuse these jackals can get they will take apparently.


Now I'm wondering if the JP will take into consideration what I've detailed.


The JP might. Or might give you an even more reduced fine and time to pay it. Or the JP might not. Or the cop may not show up at court.


But I'm curious how you can consider driving without valid registration a non-moving violation. Were you not driving the car on the road? You do know it is your responsibility to make sure any car you drive is registered, yes? It's not just the responsibility of the owner.


Re: Drive Motor Vehicle No Currently Validated Permit (is It A Moving Violation?)

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:20 pm
by eightfour
Markus wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:15 pm
eightfour wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:36 pm

K so I called an insurance company anonymously to inquire and the individual said it results in a "minor conviction," and that indeed it will result in an insurance increase.


So I keep hearing that non-moving violations don't result in an increase but this doesn't appear to be true. Any excuse these jackals can get they will take apparently.


Now I'm wondering if the JP will take into consideration what I've detailed.


The JP might. Or might give you an even more reduced fine and time to pay it. Or the JP might not. Or the cop may not show up at court.


But I'm curious how you can consider driving without valid registration a non-moving violation. Were you not driving the car on the road? You do know it is your responsibility to make sure any car you drive is registered, yes? It's not just the responsibility of the owner.


Well I'm not an HTA expert but I figured moving violations were things such as speeding, not stopping for stop signs, etc... you know where the offence is directly associated with a movement you performed.


So yeah I guess I'm going to court then. I got a few tricks up my sleeve if the cop does indeed show up. Anything I can do to be a thorn in their sides I will.


(oh and car was registered, ownership/insurance was valid, it was just sticker renewal bs they got me for.)


Re: Drive Motor Vehicle No Currently Validated Permit (is It A Moving Violation?)

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:34 am
by argyll

This is a tough one to beat. Either the car was registered or it wasn't. I do feel for you though. I've borrowed vehicles from friends and never demanded to see the paperwork. Certainly I should have but you just assume.


Re: Drive Motor Vehicle No Currently Validated Permit (is It A Moving Violation?)

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:07 pm
by bend

Insurance providers will absolutely issue a surcharge for missing particulars and anything in that realm. Any time an officer asks you for a piece of information, whether it's your license, insurance card, etc... If you fail to provide anything and are convicted for it, you will be assessed a minor surcharge by your provider. They'll all be minor unless what you've provided is actually a fake document, then it bumps up.


I totally understand what you were trying to say. A large majority of people like to call these "paper tickets" and are under the impression that they don't count. There's no such thing as paper tickets.