I was driving in southern ont. on a 4 lane (2+2) hwy. I crested a hill, at the bottom exactly 1km away were flashing lights, not on the shoulder but on a median directly beside the shoulder, thought it was a tow truck waiting, as I got closer realized it was an suv opp cruiser x2, checked my mirrors and blind spot, 3 cars in passing lane going much faster than me, neareset one very close to me, I decided it was not safe to change lane, might get rear ended. So I proceeded safely by. Officer jumped on me right away. I was shocked when he explained the ticket, I told him that I could not change lanes due to vehicles too close. He insisted I could have.
I am 100% innocent and very upset over this ticket. I am going to take this to court and fight it. I cannot afford any legal help. I am looking for any advice and/or experiences from anyone concerning this subject. I thank you in advance and your help is definitely appreciated.
Post the officers notes when you get them.
guilty, and ask for the courts mercy, or plead innocent, noting the above? I have not received notes as I have not replied to the ticket as yet.
But who is going to protect us from Tow Truck drivers?hwybear wrote:New this spring, tow trucks are included in move over law....
http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/ ... ustry.htmlMacCharles said besides this Ã¢Â€ÂœdubiousÃ¢Â€Â behaviour, tow truck drivers have an extraordinarily high collision rate, 20 per cent compared to 1 per cent for other commercial vehicles.
I feel if the emergency vehicle REARS END you it should be their fault right? Obviously if you were speeding or not stopping but if you were trying to slow down and stop and move to a curb, is it your fault?
If you did not receive a ticket for this, would insurance find you at fault?
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut ... .htm#BK239
Most emergency vehicles expect you to drive predictably, reading HTA S159(1) moving to the right or stopping on the left curb on a freeway is acceptable.
In other countries vehicles literally mount the curb in order to give way to emergency vehicles: https://youtu.be/Z_Tl3G4sDPs?t=40s
For the most part, the drivers left a wide open channel. That would never happen here. "This is MY lane dammit!" Also note there was no rubbernecking by drivers on the other side of the Autobahn staring at the Feuerwehr (firefighters) or Polizei (police).
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Because they are expected to get to an emergency situation, should they not be more aware of their surroundings and not just EXPECT other people to do as told when there are other factors at play like not being able to maneuver as quickly as they are trained to do?
So you could move to the right OR left. Right if it's SAFE to do so, and if not safe, then left if there is not enough time. They still shouldn't rear end you. It's not like day one they have dealt with people reacting to them coming. It's not ILLEGAL to drive in the left lane - you can't even get a ticket for simply being in a left lane otherwise.
That is so stupid - breaking laws to let emergency vehicles pass like driving on non-roads. That's putting yourself at danger so now the EMS has to go save your life too.
The whole point of clearing is to be safe - if you do stupid things like that or do unsafe lane changes to "clear way" it's counter productive, you're just creating more accidents.
No one on here claimed it was okay for emergency vehicles to slam into others.flyingfree234 wrote:They still shouldn't rear end you.
You can absolutely get ticketed for driving in the left lane if you are either moving slower than the speed of other vehicles, or if a faster-moving vehicle is approaching from behind and wants to pass. See section 147 and 148 (1) and (2) of the Highway Traffic Act. And then there's the signs "slower traffic keep right" and "keep right except to pass," which are official signs and you can also get ticketed for not complying.flyingfree234 wrote:It's not ILLEGAL to drive in the left lane - you can't even get a ticket for simply being in a left lane otherwise.
No one said to make an unsafe lane change or to put your vehicle into the ditch at high speed. What iFly55 was saying is that you need to be aware of your surroundings so that you know if it is safe to change to the right or not, and if you're just "guessing" if there's a vehicle there, you're not paying attention. If there is a vehicle there, don't change lanes in to it. iFly55 said that in other countries, people will pull up on the curb if necessary. In his video, or in the one I showed, how many people getting out of the way crashed? None.flyingfree234 wrote:The whole point of clearing is to be safe - if you do stupid things like that or do unsafe lane changes to "clear way" it's counter productive, you're just creating more accidents
Slowly pulling your vehicle onto the curb or shoulder where there's nowhere else to go is neither breaking the law, nor is it unsafe. Come on.flyingfree234 wrote:That is so stupid - breaking laws to let emergency vehicles pass like driving on non-roads. That's putting yourself at danger so now the EMS has to go save your life too.
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And who said you were driving slower? If you are driving at MAX speed in the left lane, you can't exactly be ticketed because if you drive any faster, you're breaking the law by speeding. So where are you supposed to go? 1) Drive faster - illegal 2) Lane change UNSAFELY into a car that already is in the right lane - cause a crash from unsafe lane change - cause more accidents, break laws, um no 3) As the highway act says, SLOW down and try to pull to the left curb - yes pull TO the left curb, not ON the curb and cause your car to flip because that's actually not what you were trained to do - you're not a stunt driver.
If it's nighttime and you don't have a good view of the right lane because there is not enough time to react before that vehicle wants to slam onto your car, then yeah I think it's safer not to just randomly slide into the next lane and hit another car. Because then you would be 100% breaking the law and involving more innocent people.
PASSING off the road is illegal. Pulling the vehicle on to the curb and stopping until the fire truck or ambulance passes you is not illegal in a situation like this. Please quote the section of the Highway Traffic Act that says it is illegal to pull onto the curb to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Oh that's right, you can't, because it doesn't exist.flyingfree234 wrote:Um yeah driving on NON roads i.e. actual curbs is against the law.
flyingfree234 wrote:If you are driving at MAX speed in the left lane, you can't exactly be ticketed because if you drive any faster, you're breaking the law by speeding.
Read my post again, and also the Highway Traffic Act. It doesn't matter what speed you are driving at - if there is faster moving traffic, you must move to the right. There is no exception given if you are at the speed limit. If you got in the left lane and you weren't passing other traffic, there was no reason for you to be there in the first place, unless you're about to turn left. I'll be very clear: You're required to move right at the first safe opportunity, not just wildly change lanes or stay right where you are, when faster moving traffic approaches. If an emergency vehicle is coming up, you can move left or right.
I'll cut-and-paste from above:flyingfree234 wrote:So where are you supposed to go? 1) Drive faster - illegal 2) Lane change UNSAFELY into a car that already is in the right lane - cause a crash from unsafe lane change - cause more accidents, break laws, um no
No one said to make an unsafe lane change or to put your vehicle into the ditch at high speed. What iFly55 was saying is that you need to be aware of your surroundings so that you know if it is safe to change to the right or not, and if you're just "guessing" if there's a vehicle there, you're not paying attention. If there is a vehicle there, don't change lanes in to it.
Yes you are supposed to pull to the curb, if that gets you out of the way. If pulling to the curb won't create enough room, slowly pulling on to the curb is not dangerous nor will it get you ticketed. Slowly pulling your vehicle onto the curb will absolutely not cause it to flip, sorry. I've done it before to get out of the way, when there was nowhere else to go. Bringing one edge of the vehicle up 4 inches is not going to offset its centre of gravity, even if it's a transport truck. Your statement above is hysterical nonsense. You're not dealing with people who have no driver experience, so cut the hyperbole.flyingfree234 wrote:3) As the highway act says, SLOW down and try to pull to the left curb - yes pull TO the left curb, not ON the curb and cause your car to flip because that's actually not what you were trained to do - you're not a stunt driver.
Again, you're resorting to over-the-top exaggeration. And again, for emphasis NO ONE, MYSELF INCLUDED, SAID TO CHANGE LANES INTO OTHER VEHICLES. You put those words in our mouths. If you're trying to make a point by doing so, you're not helping your case.flyingfree234 wrote:Because then you would be 100% breaking the law and involving more innocent people.
It's pretty simple: Pay attention to what's behind you. I've never had an emergency vehicle come rocketing up behind me to the point I thought I was going to be rear-ended. That's because I watch my rear-view mirrors and also realize I'm sharing the road with other people, including first responders who have to get places quickly. If you suddenly find an emergency vehicle behind you and it came out of nowhere, you weren't watching the road. I always also know if there are vehicles left or right of me, because I'm also paying attention to that. I can do it, you can do it.
I've been on this forum a long time. I've dealt with literally hundreds of traffic ticket cases and I've got over 20 years of driver experience. This above statement is only true if you were attempting to pass other vehicles while driving off the roadway. Pulling off the road when getting to the curb wasn't giving enough room is not going to result in a ticket. And I'd rather put my car at 20 km/h or less onto the curb or shoulder and then slow to a stop to get those first responders past me (again, where there's nowhere to go) than have them try to go down the sidewalk or on the grass at a higher speed.flyingfree234 wrote:If EMS and emergency vehicles wanna do it, fine, but if a civilian does it then they will get ticketed for sure.
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