There was no defect in the vehicle when driver did the inspection in the morning before starting his trip.
So officer asked the driver to show the logbook and upon providing the logbook, officer tear off the page for that particular day and took it with him.
Just found: Record keeping requirements under Highway Traffic Act
ONTARIO REGULATION 199/07
COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE INSPECTIONS
DAILY INSPECTION OF TRUCKS, TRACTORS AND TRAILERS
and Part V Record keeping.
That the log book need to be reported/provided to the carrier to comply for mandatory record keeping requirements.
under Inspections, unsafe vehicles (Highway Traffic Act)
Notice was required to the driver that what level of inspection was done according the North American Standard Inspection Procedure.
I don't know if this is sufficient.
As for the other issue: I can guarantee the officer was not cvsa certified (commercial vehicle safety alliance) and therefore would not have concucted a cvsa inspection where the driver would have been given a copy of the cvir...when a certified officer, (all of the mto officers at the inspection stations, and some police officers) conduct a cvsa inspection, level 1 or 2, they give you a copy of the cvir which will indicate what inspection they did and any defects or violations...
Original copy would certainly be best evidence in Court. Also, photocopying a logbook isn't really an option at the side of the road.screeech wrote:Officer was probably thinking of rules of evidence and seizing it to be able to produce it later in court if needed...again, the officer should have copied it and left the original with the driver...
Drivers mistakenly assume that if pulled over for inspection they cannot face prosecution for any defects discovered, arguing that they were not present when they completed the pre-trip.
The charge you mentioned is based on the driver becoming aware of a defect during the operation, and it was not noted in the vehicle inspection report after the pre-trip was completed. (Every pre-trip I have ever seen is designed to allow the driver to add major/minor defects encountered while operating to the inspection report.)
In my opinion, a conviction on this would require that the defect be obvious to the driver during the subsequent use of the vehicle and them not noting it and doing nothing about it.
Were you also ticketed for operating an unsafe vehicle?
and there would not have been an unsafe vehicle charge or that would have been a summons, this driver was given 2 tickets...
Pam: what was the vehicle the driver was driving and what is the Registered Gross Weight?
It was dump truck and the registered gross weigh was 11,000 kg (according to officer notes)
Got the disclosure. Officer provided copy of the log book page but kept the original.
No inspection report was provided even in the disclosure. Driver don't know what type of inspection the officer did.so he can further study on it. That was it CVSA inspection or any other type of inspection. Is this can be the defense that no Inspection Report was provided? or Should driver ask in the further disclosure request?
in the disclosure, it says; e brake inoperative (foot operated) auto transmission. 3 attempts , 3 fails.
What does it mean? Does it tells that what kind of inspection it was and if the officer need to be certified? or inspection report should have been provided at the time of the stop?
Do 'HTA 82 (6) Notice is required' apply?
The officer had the driver attempt to show the emergency brake was working 3 times...apparently it failed all 3 attempts...The officer does not need to be certified...the inspection report was not provided as the officer is not, in all likelihood, a certified inspector and it will be no defence that an inspection report was not provided...
It appears the officer had them press acceleratorpam wrote:he just ask the driver to put the truck in drive (first) gear. Driver did that. The truck did not move and then officer asked the driver to press the accelerator, the truck moved when the accelerator was pressed. Officer not tell anything that what the defect is.
All statements made are my opinion only.
Prosecutor was withdrawing the charges on 3 tickets (which was minor without any points) but not other 2. One of them was accumulating 2 points on CVOR.
No disclosure was provided before,......... so they provide the disclosure that day but give me that option also that I have to plead guilty on 2 tickets if I was.
I did not plead guilty and request an adjournment based on, that I need to read the disclosure. Disclosure is only one page. (they give me three copies of the same page) Not explaining much, most of it has information of the driver and the vehicle. and only two lines about the inspection. (e brake n operator (can't properly understand the wording) then next line is; (Foot operator) auto transmission. 3 attempts--3 fails.
How do I convince the prosecutor to not accumulating any points.
I mean I really want to save 2 points.