Red Light Camera: Front of car over intersection marking????

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Red Light Camera: Front of car over intersection marking????

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Hi, Just received red light camera ticket. First picture, which is suppose to prove I entered intersection on a red: Pic taken from behind the car appears to show front of car over the intersection white line, but tires very close to line [slightly outside intersection], but do not believe this is proof I entered intersection after red light. It can be argued either there is no clear proof the car entered after the red, as front of car was already in the intersection. I plan to fight on this premise. What do you think?


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The purpose of the first picture isn't to show you in the intersection.

It's to show you approaching the line while the light was already red.


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Red Light charges issued by camera, as opposed to being stopped and charged by the police, do not result in demerit points or record of conviction. You are simply being charged as the owner of the vehicle, not necessarily as the driver. Given the lack of penalty beyond the fine, these offences may not always be cost-effective to contest if you will be losing work or incurring expenses.
The content of this post is not legal advice. Legal advice can only be provided after a licenced paralegal has been retained, spoken with you directly, and reviewed the documents related to your case.


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There are no demerit or insurance increases with a charge issued against the OWNER of the vehicle, such as red light cameras. So the only penalty is the fine itself.

How many pictures did they send?

Do the pictures show your front wheels BEFORE the line and then your front wheels AFTER the line? Would be very hard to dispute the ticket if this is the case.

Or do all pictures show your front wheels AFTER the line? If this is the case, then you might bring reasonable doubt to the charge by trying to show that you stopped completely at the line (wheels BEFORE the line) and then proceeded into the intersection.

Now if you were going to fight it, I would also be asking a lot of questions about the equipment used.
- How does the timing work? How does it calculate the times?
- Does it use radar to determine speed or time?
- How is this equipment tested and checked and calibrated?
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the tires are very close to the intersection line, but not over, but the front of the car must be into the intersection, so my contention is that there is no evidence showing the car entered the intersection after the red light, i believe it is their responsibility to have conclusive proof that car was not in intersection when the light turned red.


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So only one picture, and your front tires are NOT over the line yet?

If that is the case, then you need to investigate the definition of intersection and figure out if it is the tires that need to be over the line, or just the front of the car. Maybe somebody knows some caselaw already that can help. Not a ticket I have dealt with before so I have never researched it myself.
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I think we may need some clarification as to what is meant by the "intersection line". Does that mean the stop line or part of a crosswalk? Posting the picture would probably help.


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