Radar Identified wrote:tdrive2 wrote:So are these people going to get reimbursed?
According to the same law experts, answer: No. Mistake or error by the gov't in passing such a law would not justify massive reimbursement. I had believed otherwise in the past, but apparently that is not the case.
It is better, more efficient, feels much better, and costs less taxpayers' money to bail out an automaker 
or two 
. Both sides, McGuinty's Liberals and Harper's Conservatives are doing it.
Seriously though, 172 has some great stuff in it, although only speeding and squealing/spinning tires are enforced.
My take on the law:
Speeding: Why a new law to govern something that is already there? 128 already has ample penalties for speeding. Re-vamp that instead, increase penalties, etc.
Spinning tires: I spun tires on a green light on my car couple days ago. It was raining though. Does that make me a stunt driver? Most would agree not.
Squealing tires: There is a bylaw in (I believe) almost every town that prohibits doing that. There is one in Guelph, that's for sure. Again, why a new law when there already is a regulation in place?
Spinning doughnuts can be considered as having control over a car. It is thought that having a person (young driver) spin some doughnuts on an empty parking lot, in order to learn how the car behaves when it is spun so, increases awareness of what to do when in a similar situation, such as spinning on ice, etc.
Driving with a person in the trunk: what if the dude is incapacitated (too drunk) to be placed elsewhere? Had that happen once to a friend, he "blew" (the doctor plugged a test tube in his mouth) 0.8+ in the hospital (yes, over 10 times the legal limit). He dislocated his arm falling down the stairs, and we had to rush him to the hospital, though he can't remember it... 4 people to carry the guy, including a DD, no space in the car: to the trunk he goes. Before the 172 came into effect.
What about those who speed up when being overtaken? Way more risk in doing that than in someone doing 30 instead of 20 while making a right turn and sqealing tires a little. What was the last time someone got ticketed for doing that? This must happen on the 400-series quite often, at least I see that a fair bit.
Anyone hear the news of a 15-year old Korean punching a bully twice his size in the nose, drawing blood, and being charged with assault? One more example of the ridiculousness of the current situation. We are accepting the laws that are meant to protect us, but they are doing us, as Russians like to say, a "Bear Service" (I was told an old Russian story about a circus performer/trainer who had a pet bear. One day the bear decided to swap the fly of the trainer's forehead while the poor chap was sleeping. You can figure out the rest). The wimps get wimpier, the crazy - crazier.
We forgot to defend ourselves with what we got, and we letting someone else do it for us. Your property is being ransacked? Wait for the cops, don't fire shots in the air or in the general direction of the robber, else you will be charged with attempted murder. You are being beaten by a bully? If you have a black belt, under no circumstance can you use that roundhouse kick to knock some sense into the bully, else you will be charged with use of deadly force in aggravated assault. In other words, victims that fight back are no longer victims but assailants. Funny how things change roles. All in a desire to create a nanny state. Why not vote in a Communist Party next election with the same result of a nanny state? It will even look for jobs for you 
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The lawmakers went through the list of all that can be potentially dangerous and outlawed that, but they forgot that you need to blast some dynamite to make a tunnel. And dynamite is very dangerous, when wrong/dumb people use it. But Niagara Falls power plant would have been quite impossible without it.
We have a move over law?