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OPP = (police by fear and extreme force)

I understand what they are trying to do, I just don't agree with their methods.

Rant: http://ontariotrafficlaw.blogspot.com/

Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMIvN4Y19x4

Zeeman28a wrote:

I understand what they are trying to do, I just don't agree with their methods.

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What can you say, our government is making easy money by targeting good drivers. Too bad that the we can't do anything about it. I'm actually sick and tired of all these new laws that really have nothing to do with safety.

casper wrote:

What can you say, our government is making easy money by targeting good drivers. Too bad that the we can't do anything about it. I'm actually sick and tired of all these new laws that really have nothing to do with safety.

Thats the sticky point, neither the government or insurance companies will actually test and see how good or bad our driving skills are. They don't want to know.

Regarding this 'law'. The reason they can impound a car is because the car becomes the property of the Ministry the minute you register it. Anything that is registered belongs to the Crown I believe. (REGIS meaning King/Crown)

I won't lock the thread just so that I can answer this:

Benjamin Button wrote:

The reason they can impound a car is because the car becomes the property of the Ministry the minute you register it. Anything that is registered belongs to the Crown I believe.

That's not correct. Actually, it's the exact opposite: You're telling the government that YOU own the car. The Ministry does not own it, but even if you own something, the government can confiscate it if it is used for an unlawful purpose. I still don't agree with the s. 172 impoundment provision, but this is pretty much beating a dead horse...

I hear you Radar! I hear you! haha

Yes I suppose it is beating a dead horse in a way. But whilst you do in fact INFORM the Ministry that you have bought a car and have equitable ownership in it, you are now submitting the title to them (Ministry/Crown.) Because they HOLD title as it were they have the power to seize. I hate to disagree with you on a technicality but its the same with a house. You own equitable title and the Crown holds legal title hence how they can demand property taxes. The word REGISter itself pretty much spells out the meaning. Either way by registering anything it is now up for seizure.

Its not a form of enslavement or anything. If you want access to the road you need a Licence! If you want to drive a car around you gotta get plates! Not a huge conspiracy here, its not the federal reserve lol!

And yes there should be a registration system for all cars/automobiles that will be driven on Canadian roads, because this is called having Laws and Regulations. We don't have a HTA for no reason! The purpose is to create a law driven society so people can't just get behind a 2 tonne car and start driving everywhere like mad men!

People will die, accidents will be daily place, drunk drivers will reign free, and you are having a problem with registering your vehicle with the MTO? Really?

you can always go the freeman route

Benjamin Button, I understand what you wrote. It is just wrong. The government can, and will, seize unregistered vehicles as well as those that are registered. Same thing with firearms, etc.

The word register does not mean to give ownership to the Crown, either. Not in Canada, anyway.

Failing to register your vehicle won't stop the government from seizing it. In fact, if your vehicle isn't registered and you drive it on a public road, your vehicle WILL be seized.

I'm with radar on this issue. I don't think you can say that the government has any equitable or legal title to your vehicle or other personal property. They agents of the state (the police) seize it on behalf of the government under clear statutory or common law authority. That's how they're able to do it, not because they "own" it in any sense. If that was the case, as was mentioned, they wouldn't be able to seize unregistered vehicles.

iFly55 wrote:

you can always go the freeman route

What do you mean? Who is this guy Freeman?

Hi Radar

Yes I know the government will seize anything it likes. I realise that, I was just wanting some facts about how they can take property from anyone without it being called theft like if we were to do same. Never mind though, its not something I care to continue with. It was just a question and I dont wish to be banned again for asking a question that is not allowed......forgive me

admin wrote:

Its not a form of enslavement or anything. If you want access to the road you need a Licence! If you want to drive a car around you gotta get plates! Not a huge conspiracy here, its not the federal reserve lol!

And yes there should be a registration system for all cars/automobiles that will be driven on Canadian roads, because this is called having Laws and Regulations. We don't have a HTA for no reason! The purpose is to create a law driven society so people can't just get behind a 2 tonne car and start driving everywhere like mad men!

People will die, accidents will be daily place, drunk drivers will reign free, and you are having a problem with registering your vehicle with the MTO? Really?

Thank you for replying..although its a bit of a rant lol, Not quite following you on the 'enslavement' or 'conspiracy' parts but you have an opinion like the rest of us I guess and thats to be respected. I didnt say I was having any problems, I was asking a couple of questions. I personally don;t believe we need to ''create'' a law driven society as we already have laws and have had laws for a very long time. The proficiency test that one takes prior to 'licencing'' determines ones abilty to safely manoevre on the roads, its not the licensing that makes it safer its the testing.

And even with the current 'system' people die, accidents happen daily and drunk drivers do still take to the roads.... registration/licensing hasn't been able to stop that. And no I am not having any problem with registering any vehicle, I dont believe that I said I did.

Your personal beliefs do not matter here. Your idea of a proficiency test does not exist, you take a Drivers test or exam to learn how to drive a vehcile on Canadian Roads and under the OHTA!

Thats an interesting answer. I remember taking a test that assessed my competency on the roads, I am not sure what planet I must have been on at the time

I tend to base my personal beliefs on facts. Canadian licences can be utilised on roads the world over as can licences from other countries. Its a matter of jurisdiction at the time is it not? testing that takes place at the MOT is to determine one ability to be safe on the roads and based on that test it is determined that you are safe enough to hold a licence and the licensing ensues which brings you into the realm of the HTA. Feel free to correct me as to your understanding, thank you again

I guess you were just wrong.

I am glad thats just a guess on your part

LOL

Benjamin Button wrote:

Yes I know the government will seize anything it likes. I realise that, I was just wanting some facts about how they can take property from anyone without it being called theft like if we were to do same

Simon Borys pretty much explained it. It's not theft because the government is taking it due to its use for an unlawful purpose. They can't just take it whenever they feel like it. They have to have some sort of statute, law, or whatever to back it up. In the case of the impoundment law, it is to "encourage compliance with the regulatory regime." Incidentally, the vehicle is returned its rightful owner. The only time something is permanently taken away is if a court so orders it. Police can temporarily seize stuff and retain it as evidence, or to comply with things like s. 172, but they can't just take it and keep it "just because."