In the past eight days, 9 pedestrians have been killed in the GTA. Five of them were killed by vehicles making turns. At least two of them were killed by jaywalking or crossing in areas where they should not have. One was killed by a red light runner and another was killed by a driver who rocketed through a stop sign (I don't mean rolling stop, I mean he just tore right through without slowing down). Speed is not being blamed as the cause in any of the collisions. At least seven of the fatalities appear to have a common theme: Not paying attention, either by the driver or the pedestrian. This does not include three additional pedestrian fatalities since January 6 in Durham region. Police are reminding motorists and pedestrians to PAY ATTENTION. This means stop using the cellphone or texting, watch where you're going, and don't make any assumptions (e.g. "the driver will stop for me," or "there won't be any pedestrians there"). Police are also asking pedestrians to stop jaywalking and motorists to look before they turn. Most of these concepts are very basic but it seems that in our super-technological world, some of us almost need a beep or flashing light to alert us that something may be unsafe or that we're going to hit something. It's like basic survival instincts are dulled or gone. It seems like no one is paying attention any more, and even if they are, they've got such an entitlement attitude that they won't think twice about endangering their lives, or someone else's, because whatever they're doing is the most convenient thing for them... especially here in the GTA. Thoughts?
In the past eight days, 9 pedestrians have been killed in the GTA. Five of them were killed by vehicles making turns. At least two of them were killed by jaywalking or crossing in areas where they should not have. One was killed by a red light runner and another was killed by a driver who rocketed through a stop sign (I don't mean rolling stop, I mean he just tore right through without slowing down). Speed is not being blamed as the cause in any of the collisions. At least seven of the fatalities appear to have a common theme: Not paying attention, either by the driver or the pedestrian.
This does not include three additional pedestrian fatalities since January 6 in Durham region.
Police are reminding motorists and pedestrians to PAY ATTENTION. This means stop using the cellphone or texting, watch where you're going, and don't make any assumptions (e.g. "the driver will stop for me," or "there won't be any pedestrians there"). Police are also asking pedestrians to stop jaywalking and motorists to look before they turn. Most of these concepts are very basic but it seems that in our super-technological world, some of us almost need a beep or flashing light to alert us that something may be unsafe or that we're going to hit something. It's like basic survival instincts are dulled or gone.
It seems like no one is paying attention any more, and even if they are, they've got such an entitlement attitude that they won't think twice about endangering their lives, or someone else's, because whatever they're doing is the most convenient thing for them... especially here in the GTA.
Thoughts?
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I see the non-chalent approach of pedestrians all the time, red stop hand comes up and they still proceed. Or light turns green and pedestrians just start walking, not noticing the stop hand is still up as vehicle turns are commencing. I don't know is the pedestrian crossings with the second timer on it helps or not? (see those in Florida)
I see the non-chalent approach of pedestrians all the time, red stop hand comes up and they still proceed. Or light turns green and pedestrians just start walking, not noticing the stop hand is still up as vehicle turns are commencing.
I don't know is the pedestrian crossings with the second timer on it helps or not? (see those in Florida)
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The 10th pedestrian fatality happened this morning on Dufferin Street. A woman jaywalked in front of a Honda Odyssey who attempted to avoid the collision, but despite the efforts of the driver, the side mirror struck the pedestrian and knocked her down where she struck her head on the pavement. She died at the scene. Most intersections in Toronto have that as well, and eventually all of them will have it. The unintended benefit of the timers is that collisions due to red light running have dropped (drivers better able to anticipate the traffic light cycle). Everyone seems like they've firmly lodged their heads where the sun doesn't shine. I've watched pedestrians step into the street where they had no business crossing in the first place, and even if they did, where motorists had almost no opportunity to stop. When honked at or almost hit, they respond with the finger. This includes mommy and daddy with little junior, who is now learning some habits that will get him killed one day. I've had the light turn green, and started to move, only to have a pedestrian dart out into the crosswalk - again, I honk, I get the finger. On the other side of the coin, I've been crossing the street, broad daylight, "walk" signal, and had cars turn left or right and almost hit me. To add to it, they usually honk, as though how dare I try to cross the street when they want to turn. I've stopped at a collision scene where a moron made a right turn on a red light without slowing or stopping, and nailed a pedestrian who was legally crossing the street, breaking her leg. The first words out of his mouth: "WTF is your problem, lady? Look what you did to my car!" :shock:
The 10th pedestrian fatality happened this morning on Dufferin Street. A woman jaywalked in front of a Honda Odyssey who attempted to avoid the collision, but despite the efforts of the driver, the side mirror struck the pedestrian and knocked her down where she struck her head on the pavement. She died at the scene.
hwybear wrote:
I don't know is the pedestrian crossings with the second timer on it helps or not? (see those in Florida)
Most intersections in Toronto have that as well, and eventually all of them will have it. The unintended benefit of the timers is that collisions due to red light running have dropped (drivers better able to anticipate the traffic light cycle).
hwybear wrote:
I see the non-chalent approach of pedestrians all the time, red stop hand comes up and they still proceed. Or light turns green and pedestrians just start walking, not noticing the stop hand is still up as vehicle turns are commencing.
Everyone seems like they've firmly lodged their heads where the sun doesn't shine. I've watched pedestrians step into the street where they had no business crossing in the first place, and even if they did, where motorists had almost no opportunity to stop. When honked at or almost hit, they respond with the finger. This includes mommy and daddy with little junior, who is now learning some habits that will get him killed one day. I've had the light turn green, and started to move, only to have a pedestrian dart out into the crosswalk - again, I honk, I get the finger.
On the other side of the coin, I've been crossing the street, broad daylight, "walk" signal, and had cars turn left or right and almost hit me. To add to it, they usually honk, as though how dare I try to cross the street when they want to turn.
I've stopped at a collision scene where a moron made a right turn on a red light without slowing or stopping, and nailed a pedestrian who was legally crossing the street, breaking her leg. The first words out of his mouth: "WTF is your problem, lady? Look what you did to my car!"
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Started home business = spare-time gone! (much less time to belly-ache on Forums, LOL) I'm rarely a pedestrian, but when I am, man, my heads spinnin' in ten directions at once! The roads are filling up with a generation of folks who have been repeatedly congratulated for accomplishing nothing throughout their life, and now they're all out there with their resultant "me, me, me" attitudes driving like the self-centered knuckleheads that they are. Both pedestrians and drivers are at fault (thought, legally, the driver is usually at fault). Maybe we need to step back a few generations and acquire the mindset of "every man for himself" (within reason). I'm not sure when folks adopted the assumption that cars are safe and insignificant, but I'm glad I grew up when we KNEW they could kill ya' ;)
hwybear wrote:
Bookm - where have your been??? missed ya!! out making more shows/movies?
Started home business = spare-time gone!
(much less time to belly-ache on Forums, LOL)
I'm rarely a pedestrian, but when I am, man, my heads spinnin' in ten directions at once! The roads are filling up with a generation of folks who have been repeatedly congratulated for accomplishing nothing throughout their life, and now they're all out there with their resultant "me, me, me" attitudes driving like the self-centered knuckleheads that they are.
Both pedestrians and drivers are at fault (thought, legally, the driver is usually at fault). Maybe we need to step back a few generations and acquire the mindset of "every man for himself" (within reason). I'm not sure when folks adopted the assumption that cars are safe and insignificant, but I'm glad I grew up when we KNEW they could kill ya'
unitl people start owing up to their mistakes (red, yellow light) violations when they actually do get caught (even by cameras) and be more cognizant of the lights ........then pedestrians not looking both ways...this saga will continue for many years to come
unitl people start owing up to their mistakes (red, yellow light) violations when they actually do get caught (even by cameras) and be more cognizant of the lights ........then pedestrians not looking both ways...this saga will continue for many years to come
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On Dundas Street, between Bay and Yonge on the North side is a office building with some light retail in the basement and lobby. The sidewalk is about 10 feet wide at that location from what I recall. Anyhow, I was walking there one evening after work and along comes this late 40s looking bohemian lady on a bike complete with baskets and flowing skirt overtop spandex pants and cyclist shoes, barrelling westward on the North sidewalk. Walking eastward was a slight asian woman of about 5'1" tall and about 90lbs total. This is RUSH hour during a work week. She proceeds to slice pedestrian traffic like Moses did the sea but this small woman couldn't get out of the way in time. The small asian woman freezes, the Edie Brickell lookalike tumbles over her front tire and halfway on the street/curb, gets UP and proceeds to scream at this woman "WTF lady, watch where the hell you're going." along with a colourful assortment of adjectives to describe exactly what she thought of this woman. I mean, how bleeping bleeping dare she be a pedestrian on the same sidewalk that Edie dear is trying to re-enact the tour de France during rush hour. The nerve! Never did it dawn on Edie that she was not supposed to be on the sidewalk and nearly plowed over 50 people before she was cut down herself. What an idiot.
Radar Identified wrote:
I've stopped at a collision scene where a moron made a right turn on a red light without slowing or stopping, and nailed a pedestrian who was legally crossing the street, breaking her leg. The first words out of his mouth: "WTF is your problem, lady? Look what you did to my car!"
On Dundas Street, between Bay and Yonge on the North side is a office building with some light retail in the basement and lobby. The sidewalk is about 10 feet wide at that location from what I recall. Anyhow, I was walking there one evening after work and along comes this late 40s looking bohemian lady on a bike complete with baskets and flowing skirt overtop spandex pants and cyclist shoes, barrelling westward on the North sidewalk. Walking eastward was a slight asian woman of about 5'1" tall and about 90lbs total. This is RUSH hour during a work week. She proceeds to slice pedestrian traffic like Moses did the sea but this small woman couldn't get out of the way in time. The small asian woman freezes, the Edie Brickell lookalike tumbles over her front tire and halfway on the street/curb, gets UP and proceeds to scream at this woman "WTF lady, watch where the hell you're going." along with a colourful assortment of adjectives to describe exactly what she thought of this woman. I mean, how bleeping bleeping dare she be a pedestrian on the same sidewalk that Edie dear is trying to re-enact the tour de France during rush hour. The nerve!
Never did it dawn on Edie that she was not supposed to be on the sidewalk and nearly plowed over 50 people before she was cut down herself. What an idiot.
That says it all. My personal theory is that parents have become so over-protective that the younger generation lacks basic coping and survival skills. Parents go and fight all their kids' battles for them. When little Jane or Johnny does something vociferously stupid, Daddy steps in and tells them it's okay and then tells off the complainant/police officer/neighbour who reported the behaviour, instead of disciplining and correcting their kid. So the kid gets the idea that they can go about life being a total pighead and nothing will come of it... and it's gone right into the world of driving/cycling/walking. That's incredible! What she did was basically assault. (Okay not by the legal definition, but still...) Maybe it was the same cyclist in this thread. "Me, me, me." Did anyone say something to Edie look-alike? I agree that cyclists have no business being on a sidewalk, unless it's a little kid. A lot of them in downtown will go on the sidewalk because they're afraid of being turned into road pizza - but my view is, if the traffic's too scary for them to ride in it, dismount, get on the sidewalk and walk the bike! Side note... Montreal ran a fairly extensive pedestrian safety campaign starting in 2006. It included educational messages on TV and radio, billboards, and police enforcement. They clobbered both drivers and pedestrians alike. Since then, fatalities have steadily fallen. The Montreal area has had zero pedestrian fatalities this year. The GTA already has 13. Maybe we should look at doing the same?
Bookm wrote:
The roads are filling up with a generation of folks who have been repeatedly congratulated for accomplishing nothing throughout their life, and now they're all out there with their resultant "me, me, me" attitudes driving like the self-centered knuckleheads that they are.
That says it all. My personal theory is that parents have become so over-protective that the younger generation lacks basic coping and survival skills. Parents go and fight all their kids' battles for them. When little Jane or Johnny does something vociferously stupid, Daddy steps in and tells them it's okay and then tells off the complainant/police officer/neighbour who reported the behaviour, instead of disciplining and correcting their kid. So the kid gets the idea that they can go about life being a total pighead and nothing will come of it... and it's gone right into the world of driving/cycling/walking.
Marquisse wrote:
Never did it dawn on Edie that she was not supposed to be on the sidewalk and nearly plowed over 50 people before she was cut down herself. What an idiot.
That's incredible! What she did was basically assault. (Okay not by the legal definition, but still...) Maybe it was the same cyclist in this thread. "Me, me, me." Did anyone say something to Edie look-alike?
I agree that cyclists have no business being on a sidewalk, unless it's a little kid. A lot of them in downtown will go on the sidewalk because they're afraid of being turned into road pizza - but my view is, if the traffic's too scary for them to ride in it, dismount, get on the sidewalk and walk the bike!
Side note... Montreal ran a fairly extensive pedestrian safety campaign starting in 2006. It included educational messages on TV and radio, billboards, and police enforcement. They clobbered both drivers and pedestrians alike. Since then, fatalities have steadily fallen. The Montreal area has had zero pedestrian fatalities this year. The GTA already has 13. Maybe we should look at doing the same?
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I just read that thread. :shock: It sounds like they had the same entitlement attitude. This woman was completely oblivious to the fact that her being on the sidewalk riding alone was enough to charge her, nevermind the fact that she nearly killed that other woman. Everyone just left the cyclist there to fix herself up because of her hostility and, amazingly, aside from the pedestrian being dazed at what just happened to her, the woman she mowed over actually asked her if she was okay out of concern - all the while being berated by this idiot. I worked in downtown T.O. from '96 to '07, and I've seen my share of suicidal cyclists. They are insane for the most part - speaking of the courier guys. I'm sorry but I have little sympathy for them when I hear of one being hit downtown. I rarely drove downtown and TTC'd it to work out of convenience and I've had close calls many times. I've seen how they zig-zag across Yonge Street in the core at noon. When Michael Bryant got charged last summer I thought it was B.S. - and still do. The guy was drunk, angry, aggressive, and suicidal/homocidal. Pretty much standard characteristics for most courier bikers downtown.
I just read that thread. It sounds like they had the same entitlement attitude. This woman was completely oblivious to the fact that her being on the sidewalk riding alone was enough to charge her, nevermind the fact that she nearly killed that other woman. Everyone just left the cyclist there to fix herself up because of her hostility and, amazingly, aside from the pedestrian being dazed at what just happened to her, the woman she mowed over actually asked her if she was okay out of concern - all the while being berated by this idiot.
I worked in downtown T.O. from '96 to '07, and I've seen my share of suicidal cyclists. They are insane for the most part - speaking of the courier guys. I'm sorry but I have little sympathy for them when I hear of one being hit downtown. I rarely drove downtown and TTC'd it to work out of convenience and I've had close calls many times. I've seen how they zig-zag across Yonge Street in the core at noon. When Michael Bryant got charged last summer I thought it was B.S. - and still do. The guy was drunk, angry, aggressive, and suicidal/homocidal. Pretty much standard characteristics for most courier bikers downtown.
It's almost remarkable that one of the pedestrians that she almost slammed into did not knock her back to the concrete. Downtown Toronto's "sui-cyclists." :x I've had my own share of close calls. The worst example I ever saw was when I came up to a red light, fire truck running code (lights/siren) approaching the green, sui-cyclist coming up on my right side, doesn't look, doesn't slow, and blows the red light in front of the fire truck. The fire truck slammed on the brakes and laid on the air horn, so this guy, unbelievably, turned and shouted obscenities at the firefighters. :shock: :shock: It's the same people who are demanding that city hall put bike lanes on Jarvis Street (daily traffic: 27 000+ cars, 130 bicycles), even though Sherbourne Street, one block east, already has them. They berate drivers for not giving way and they berate pedestrians for not getting out of the way, when they break more traffic laws and act more recklessly than the drivers or pedestrians. Even more of an entitlement attitude! No wonder everyone's crashing into each other. EDIT: 12th pedestrian fatality occurred this morning. Dump truck turning right struck and killed a pedestrian at Danforth and Broadview.
Marquisse wrote:
Everyone just left the cyclist there to fix herself up because of her hostility
It's almost remarkable that one of the pedestrians that she almost slammed into did not knock her back to the concrete.
Marquisse wrote:
They are insane for the most part - speaking of the courier guys.
Downtown Toronto's "sui-cyclists." I've had my own share of close calls. The worst example I ever saw was when I came up to a red light, fire truck running code (lights/siren) approaching the green, sui-cyclist coming up on my right side, doesn't look, doesn't slow, and blows the red light in front of the fire truck. The fire truck slammed on the brakes and laid on the air horn, so this guy, unbelievably, turned and shouted obscenities at the firefighters.
It's the same people who are demanding that city hall put bike lanes on Jarvis Street (daily traffic: 27 000+ cars, 130 bicycles), even though Sherbourne Street, one block east, already has them. They berate drivers for not giving way and they berate pedestrians for not getting out of the way, when they break more traffic laws and act more recklessly than the drivers or pedestrians. Even more of an entitlement attitude!
No wonder everyone's crashing into each other.
EDIT: 12th pedestrian fatality occurred this morning. Dump truck turning right struck and killed a pedestrian at Danforth and Broadview.
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Video from the CBC regarding the pedestrian fatalities: http://en.video.sympatico.ca/index.php/ ... te/desc/1/ They are largely talking about both drivers and pedestrians not paying attention. Now the Solicitor-General of British Columbia, which also enacted a cellphone driving ban, is saying they may also ban hands-free devices while driving because the issue is the distraction, not the hands on the wheel. Despite the fact that, with only one exception, none of the fatalities were due to high speeds or speeding, and speed was not a factor in any of them (except one), Toronto City Councillor Bill Saundercook wants to lower speed limits. Of course, he hasn't largely talked about getting people to pay attention to what they're doing, which is the common thread of all of these tragic deaths.
Video from the CBC regarding the pedestrian fatalities:
They are largely talking about both drivers and pedestrians not paying attention. Now the Solicitor-General of British Columbia, which also enacted a cellphone driving ban, is saying they may also ban hands-free devices while driving because the issue is the distraction, not the hands on the wheel.
Despite the fact that, with only one exception, none of the fatalities were due to high speeds or speeding, and speed was not a factor in any of them (except one), Toronto City Councillor Bill Saundercook wants to lower speed limits. Of course, he hasn't largely talked about getting people to pay attention to what they're doing, which is the common thread of all of these tragic deaths.
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I'd be curious to know how much of a role regulation, read over-regulation, plays in this scenario. I'm not suggesting that rules are a bad thing, but too much of a good thing isn't, well, good. If we think about it, based on me experiences in the GTA, drivers are constantly looking to find out which sign is where and prohibiting them from doing what, when. Confusing enough just thinking about it, no? Anyways, they rely too much on signs and signals. Same goes with pedestrians. Reliance on what a system says removes much of our interaction driver-driver, driver-cyclist, and driver-pedestrian interactions. I think I've mentioned the following in a prior post. In the province of Friesland, in the Netherlands, there is an absence of traffic signs and signals. This concept was also implemented in the city of Drachten. It's an interesting read; it can be found @ http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?f ... _id=462572
I'd be curious to know how much of a role regulation, read over-regulation, plays in this scenario. I'm not suggesting that rules are a bad thing, but too much of a good thing isn't, well, good. If we think about it, based on me experiences in the GTA, drivers are constantly looking to find out which sign is where and prohibiting them from doing what, when. Confusing enough just thinking about it, no? Anyways, they rely too much on signs and signals. Same goes with pedestrians. Reliance on what a system says removes much of our interaction driver-driver, driver-cyclist, and driver-pedestrian interactions.
I think I've mentioned the following in a prior post. In the province of Friesland, in the Netherlands, there is an absence of traffic signs and signals. This concept was also implemented in the city of Drachten. It's an interesting read; it can be found @ http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?f ... _id=462572
Yesterday, I was coming to an amber light at a very busy intersection (not in GTA, yet the attitude is the same with many pedestrians throughout, as this post will demonstrate). Cars were still zipping through the intersection to my right (I was on a one-way on the left-most lane) as it had just turned amber. I slowed down. As I slowed, two dimwitted people stepped out in front of my SUV, forcing me to slam on the breaks as I was at about 30km/h at this point. I was the third car in line, so they stepped in front of oncoming and moving traffic, behind one car and in front of mine, and proceeded to skip through 4 lanes of traffic. I layed on the horn, and got a dirty look as if to say I had no right to be on the roadway. They had no business stepping out as they did. There isn't even an excuse that the pedestrian cross-walk was too far as they were two-full car lengths from the intersection. And, according to Insurance rules, I would've been at fault for these idiots getting hit. I'm sorry, but these pedestrian fatalities do not tug on my heart-strings. They are largely to blame for their own demise. They walk boldly onto the street with the mentality that motorists must stop for them - or else. The mentality continues even when they are j-walking or crossing when the hand is up or when they see cars coming at them fast. What they don't realize is that there are distracted motorists too, and while motorist should be stopping to avoid a collision, sometimes they can't. Their righteous attitudes are getting them killed because in a battle between them and a vehicle, they WILL lose every single time.
Yesterday, I was coming to an amber light at a very busy intersection (not in GTA, yet the attitude is the same with many pedestrians throughout, as this post will demonstrate). Cars were still zipping through the intersection to my right (I was on a one-way on the left-most lane) as it had just turned amber. I slowed down. As I slowed, two dimwitted people stepped out in front of my SUV, forcing me to slam on the breaks as I was at about 30km/h at this point. I was the third car in line, so they stepped in front of oncoming and moving traffic, behind one car and in front of mine, and proceeded to skip through 4 lanes of traffic. I layed on the horn, and got a dirty look as if to say I had no right to be on the roadway. They had no business stepping out as they did. There isn't even an excuse that the pedestrian cross-walk was too far as they were two-full car lengths from the intersection.
And, according to Insurance rules, I would've been at fault for these idiots getting hit. I'm sorry, but these pedestrian fatalities do not tug on my heart-strings. They are largely to blame for their own demise. They walk boldly onto the street with the mentality that motorists must stop for them - or else. The mentality continues even when they are j-walking or crossing when the hand is up or when they see cars coming at them fast. What they don't realize is that there are distracted motorists too, and while motorist should be stopping to avoid a collision, sometimes they can't. Their righteous attitudes are getting them killed because in a battle between them and a vehicle, they WILL lose every single time.
Death Race 2000 should be an essential watch by all citizens. It was a staple for us teenage boys when it came out in '75. To this day, I still categorize bad judgment by pedestrians by the points that would be awarded to the driver. Believe it or not, I'm NOT making light of this tragic series of deaths. I really DO think placing this movie in to the conscience of the Canadian public would make them more aware of their surroundings and would save lives accordingly. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyuo2oF5B4o[/youtube]
Death Race 2000 should be an essential watch by all citizens. It was a staple for us teenage boys when it came out in '75.
To this day, I still categorize bad judgment by pedestrians by the points that would be awarded to the driver.
Believe it or not, I'm NOT making light of this tragic series of deaths. I really DO think placing this movie in to the conscience of the Canadian public would make them more aware of their surroundings and would save lives accordingly.
Ever read the book Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt? He talks a lot about the points you raised, such as getting rid of all kinds of signs. The Netherlands also came up with the idea called woonerven, where instead of having sidewalks, roads, etc., the pedestrians, cars and cyclists all share the same space and the only rule is "don't hit anything." :shock: Amazingly - fatalities dropped to almost none, and collisions became very rare. :shock: :shock: It made pedestrians look everywhere and walk carefully, and it made drivers drive speeds that were appropriate for the conditions and also pay close attention to other things on the road. Toronto is implementing that in the development of the West Donlands. I have to wonder if people have basically become convinced that they're invincible. :shock: Similar situation happened to me yesterday: Entered an intersection on green to turn left, waited for oncoming traffic to clear, light turns amber. I see a pedestrian on the sidewalk. Okay, fine - I start turning, but as I do so, he suddenly darts into the street. The light is now red. I braked and pounded on the horn, and, of course, he gave me the finger. The Fault Determination Rules are in desperate need of an overhaul.
ditchMD wrote:
I'd be curious to know how much of a role regulation, read over-regulation, plays in this scenario.
Ever read the book Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt? He talks a lot about the points you raised, such as getting rid of all kinds of signs. The Netherlands also came up with the idea called woonerven, where instead of having sidewalks, roads, etc., the pedestrians, cars and cyclists all share the same space and the only rule is "don't hit anything."
Amazingly - fatalities dropped to almost none, and collisions became very rare. It made pedestrians look everywhere and walk carefully, and it made drivers drive speeds that were appropriate for the conditions and also pay close attention to other things on the road. Toronto is implementing that in the development of the West Donlands.
Marquisse wrote:
As I slowed, two dimwitted people stepped out in front of my SUV, forcing me to slam on the breaks as I was at about 30km/h at this point.
I have to wonder if people have basically become convinced that they're invincible. Similar situation happened to me yesterday: Entered an intersection on green to turn left, waited for oncoming traffic to clear, light turns amber. I see a pedestrian on the sidewalk. Okay, fine - I start turning, but as I do so, he suddenly darts into the street. The light is now red. I braked and pounded on the horn, and, of course, he gave me the finger.
Marquisse wrote:
And, according to Insurance rules, I would've been at fault for these idiots getting hit.
The Fault Determination Rules are in desperate need of an overhaul.
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i realized that when i moved here from the southern states a year ago that Toronto is very pedestrian friendly. it took me a while to get used to the fact that i just had to get used to people crossing the street on foot. it was more culture shock than anything else really. but its true, pedestrians and motorists alike need to pay attention to what they are doing. about a month ago somebody got killed crossing the street in the beaches area. i was shocked. completely. we all need to be more careful.
i realized that when i moved here from the southern states a year ago that Toronto is very pedestrian friendly. it took me a while to get used to the fact that i just had to get used to people crossing the street on foot. it was more culture shock than anything else really. but its true, pedestrians and motorists alike need to pay attention to what they are doing. about a month ago somebody got killed crossing the street in the beaches area. i was shocked. completely. we all need to be more careful.
from CBC news - 29JAN10 Toronto police say their four-day pedestrian and traffic safety campaign led to more than 300 charges — and more than 300 warnings. From Monday to Thursday, police fanned out across the city, targeting jaywalkers and pedestrians disobeying traffic signals. Since the start of the year, Toronto has recorded seven pedestrian fatalities. There have been 14 fatalities across the Greater Toronto Area during that time. In 2009 there were 31 deaths in the entire year. Motorists were also part of this week's blitz. They were issued $40 tickets for causing gridlock by getting stuck in intersections on red lights, and $180 tickets for failing to stop for a streetcar with its doors open. Police said Friday the campaign resulted in 295 tickets against pedestrians and drivers. There were also eight charges for driving while under suspension. 345 pedestrians and drivers were given cautions.
from CBC news - 29JAN10
Toronto police say their four-day pedestrian and traffic safety campaign led to more than 300 charges — and more than 300 warnings.
From Monday to Thursday, police fanned out across the city, targeting jaywalkers and pedestrians disobeying traffic signals.
Since the start of the year, Toronto has recorded seven pedestrian fatalities. There have been 14 fatalities across the Greater Toronto Area during that time.
In 2009 there were 31 deaths in the entire year.
Motorists were also part of this week's blitz.
They were issued $40 tickets for causing gridlock by getting stuck in intersections on red lights, and $180 tickets for failing to stop for a streetcar with its doors open.
Police said Friday the campaign resulted in 295 tickets against pedestrians and drivers. There were also eight charges for driving while under suspension.
345 pedestrians and drivers were given cautions.
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Hi so I have a bizzare situation. Today I received a summons for "being the owner of a motor vehicle bearing Vehicle Identification Number ###, failed to submit the vehicle, equipment or drawn vehicle for inspection or tests as required by an officer" for a vehicle I previously owned. Apparently a violation of HTA 82(9).
The date of offense is June 15, the summons was issued on October 26th and I…
Hi, I need some help for the ticket of lmproper left turn.
When i drove my car from east to west, intending to make a left turn and stop in front of stop line. There was a car in front of me, which has turn on yellow light. The light was turning red and then I thought I cannot leave in the intersection and turned, an incoming car was runing the light and hit me. No one got hurt but both cars had…
Have a ticket in which the radar used was a Genesis VP Directional. I had downloaded the manual for a Genesis VP but I now realize that the unit is not the same so it is the wrong manual. My trial is very soon so I do not have time to ask for disclosure of the manual.
Does anyone have access to an electronic version of the manual for Genesis VP Directional?
I was pulled over today in the city of Oakville for going 75 in a 40 zone. However, I am 100 percent certain that I was going only 50 in the 40 zone. When I was pulled over, I was driving my Dad's car which I felt was the reason I was getting stopped since two teenagers driving a 2013 S Class. He asked does I know why I am being pulled over and I…
I really need help on fighting my 9 tickets i received from one police officer. Here is some background of what happened!
I was caught speeding 66km on a 40km (school zone) on January 29, 2010. I was driving my friend's car and turns out she didnt renew the validation on the vehicle and didnt leave the up to date insurance paper on the car.
Hey question that I think here's probably the best place to get the answer:
I was charged with a careless driving offence in oct, trail in early april, so as of right now my insurance record is 100% clean... except the officer did file an accident report at the scene where I was classified at fault due to it being PI (although very minor). The person I hit did not sue etc, so the insurance company…
Very much unintentionally passed a stopped bus, with sign and flashing lights. Didn't realize I had done it until I was at the end of the bus. I'll save you my sob story, but it was truly accidental. I'm generally very cautious and have a perfect driving record. Never been stopped.
While I realize if a cop had seen me that I would have gotten a ticket, there were none in sight. Though I may very…
I was recently pulled over for running a red and I wasnt able to find my wallet in the car at the time to hand over my license. I had a passport in the vehicle that he used. The wallet was in the vehicle, it just fell through the seats. (Tough to find a black leather wallet in a black/black leather truck at night).
The officer still wrote the tickets for both he signed the one ticket (failure to…
I was passing a vehicle that was going slow for me and there was an oncoming vehicle coming at me. I speed up to get around the person I was passing and the oncoming vehicle turns out to be a cop who turns around and tickets me for going 110km in a 80km zone. How does it work with passing a vehicle? Once I passed the vehicle I went back down to my original speed of just under 100. The officer…
I picked up a brand new (old stock) Fuzzbuster a while ago at auction (wopping $5!!) and I want to mount it on the dash of my old GTO as a cool accessory when I show it at car shows. But I'm not sure if it's legal or not.
Here's my thoughts:
- It is early 70's technology (x-band) so it won't detect modern police radar. That's assuming no police force uses the old x-band frequency.
Hi guys, I'm still a little in shock of getting my first traffic ticket...
On Monday afternoon, I was returning from Toronto to Ottawa on HW416, I was driving about 15 over 100 like always. Then a car came very close to me on the left lane and made me nervous, I speed up unintentionally to pass the car and change lane, but while doing that a police car pull out of the median. He was hiding in…
May i ask this question regarding transport trucks limited to 105 km/h. Moving road blocks or safety?
IMO it isnt speed that kills. I find transport trucks infact help keep the road going. With cars that choose to not move to the right and slow down the middle lane the trucks would try to pass in their passing lane therefore the slower traffic would move right.
Received a notice from the police that a motion is being put forward to adjourn upcoming trial date. Notice indicates that an officer has sworn an affidavit that the crucial witness cannot attend date trial is set for (we know there is a social engagement at 7:30 pm for the witness, trial time is 1:30 pm). This further delay is a big problem to my daughter's case. She is moving away to…
This is what happened. I was travelling west on a four lane city street that was very light with traffic. I was making a left hand turn into a wide driveway of a business. There was traffic lights about 100 yards past the driveway and were red for the east-west traffic. I was in the left lane with my signal on and there was no oncoming traffic due to the red light. I was slowed right down…
I was driving my families older car and got pulled over, and the police officer informed me my plate was dirty. He issued me a ticket of $110 for the 13(2) act and obstruct plate as the offense. He informed me that such a plate could be used to avoid red lights as well as 407 tolls, also that buying a new plate can help to lower the ticket if I fight the charge, and that he also took a picture…
I received a red light camera ticket. In the picture, you see an ambulance in front of me with flashing lights. I had moved to alleviate the traffic behind me for the emergency vehicles coming behind it.
Is this a possible defense, if so, does anyone know any good case law to justify this position?
what happens if they charge someone for driving at 151Km/hr in montreal and they put for trial, appear after some months and sadly lost the trial ?
In montreal its $300 fine and 5demerit points ...
I heard Ontario and Qubec share the information. So once the trial is over ( and when the file moved to ontario) will his car gets towed and licence get suspended for 7days (later to 30 days ) ? and he…
I got a notice in the mail that trial is set four weeks from today, so it's time to request disclosure. I have zero chance of getting an 11b since trial is less than two months after the offense date and the officer did not reduce the charge. I really want to try and create delays on the trial, to reduce the chance of the officer showing up on multiple occasions. Is there any known loop-holes…
This weekend my father was involved in an accident with a transit bus in Burlington, ON. After the police showed up he was charged with "Fail to obey stop sign" Sec. 136(1)(a). At this particular intersection there NO stop signs but there are traffic lights. There is construction going on there so one of the light posts is smaller.
Driving conditions were terribly wet and visibility was low.…
So my boyfriend and I recently started dating. I have a vehicle that was insured. Insurance cost too much and I found it was just as easy to walk to work due to how close it was. But I didn't want to get rid of my car just yet, plus I'm still making payments on it as well. When we moved into our appartment together, I had it towed to my parking spot out back.
I was making a left hand legal turn on a green light, a driver came through the lane I was supposed to be going into ran the red and hit me head on as I was turning into my lane. When the officer came he was telling me that I was racing and driving recklessly because apparently there was reports of street racing in the area. I was not charged on the scene for this but I'm scared i am going to be…
I got a ticket for failure to surrender insurance because I did not have my new insurance stubs with me, just a bunch of expired ones. My policy number has not changed, so I asked the officer to just run the policy number so I could prove that I was in fact insured. He said they don't have that ability, handed me the ticket and reminded me that my car could have been impounded.
So I'm in a bit of a pickle and would appreciate if someone could clarify something for me.
I'm less than a month away (test on April 6th) from getting my full G license, and got a speeding ticket recently. The ticket was for 49km/h over the posted limit of 100km/h on the 403 in Oakville/Halton region, but was reduced from the initial ~60km/h over.